John Kasay: Terrible or Great?

[ladypanther]

New England mowed over our defense on that last drive. Anyone who thinks an extra 10 yards would have made the difference is delusional, or just trying to find someone to blame, or both.

Couple that with the fact that we wouldn't have been in the Super Bowl had it not been for him, Kasay has is great.

Was this the Foxy's "playing not to loose" defense that we saw so often?

everyone knows that superbowl loss was directly caused by John Fox's sorry excuse of in-game management skills.

I think his poor game management lost the game. He never improved in this area IMO.

Maybe I made this up but didn't we go for 2 and miss it in the second half?? If my memory serves me, had we gone for 1 and made it instead of going for 2 and missing it, that field goal for New England would have tied the game not won it for them.

See above comment.

New England would likely have scored with or without the kick out of bounds. All the kick out of bounds did was allow them to take their time. Giving Brady the ball with over a minute left with an exhausted defense and only needing a fg from one of the better kickers in the game is more than likely a win for NE.

IMO, we made a big mistake just after the two minute mark. Ricky Proehl had just caught a 31 yard pass, getting it to the New England 14. We immediately called a timeout. I thought we should have run some time off the clock before calling the timeout. Do that, and Brady gets the ball with maybe 30 seconds, and I think we would have stopped him no matter where the kickoff went. But its a less obvious thing than the kickoff.

See my first and second comment.

That issue seems to be as much the reason we lost as Kasay's kick but somehow he gets the blame and Fox's boneheaded insistence to go for 2 and miss it repeatedly isn't even mentioned. I am sure I could find other instances where folks messed up as well. So again to blame a team loss on one play makes no sense.

Well said.

I have also wondered if that was to be a normal KO or if Kasay was asked to do something different and that contributed to the mistake. Kasay would never say, which is one of the things that makes him great...he is an absolute class guy. I think he has proven many times over that he does not choke. The Panthers were very fortunate to get Kasay. He has been a great player and a great leader. I would hate to think of the Panthers without Kasay.

I did not look at this thread for a while because I thought the question the OP asked was absurd. Still do.

[Jangler]

Great kicker but that particular kick off cost us the Super Bowl. You can't give Tom Brady the ball on the 40 yard line for the last drive of the game. Having said that, I am still a big Kasay fans. Everyone makes mistakes.

Game still came down to the defense stopping one of the better QBs in NFL history in his prime. I don't blame Kasay for the loss.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Great. People are hard on him for the Bowl incident. Which I understand is very unfortunate. It hurt a lot. I know, I know what it felt like when you saw that ball go out of bounds. But we also felt the opposite of that when he made kick after kick to end the game in a panther victory. He's one of the clutch kickers in this league. I personally think he should retire in the next couple of years. Just throwing that out there. But he's not a terrible kicker.

I guess what bothers me the most is when I read comments about how he lost the super bowl for the panthers. Yet those same folks don't look beyond that ONE mistake and see all the GOOD he did to get us there in the first place. When you win it's a team effort, when you lose, it's always an individuals fault.

[Double34Trouble28]

Long career. Consistent career. Clutch(I know I know, the kickoff). Family man. Great role model. True to the franchise.

I love the guy.

[Double34Trouble28]

And yeah, great is debatable. But terrible? Under no set of criteria was or is John Kasay terrible.

[rayzor]

Was this the Foxy's "playing not to loose" defense that we saw so often?

I think his poor game management lost the game. He never improved in this area IMO.

See above comment.

See my first and second comment.

Well said.

I have also wondered if that was to be a normal KO or if Kasay was asked to do something different and that contributed to the mistake. Kasay would never say, which is one of the things that makes him great...he is an absolute class guy. I think he has proven many times over that he does not choke. The Panthers were very fortunate to get Kasay. He has been a great player and a great leader. I would hate to think of the Panthers without Kasay.

I did not look at this thread for a while because I thought the question the OP asked was absurd. Still do.

agreed with everything, but i'm ready to move on unless he can handle kickoffs.

[rayzor]

Was this the Foxy's "playing not to loose" defense that we saw so often?

I think his poor game management lost the game. He never improved in this area IMO.

See above comment.

See my first and second comment.

Well said.

I have also wondered if that was to be a normal KO or if Kasay was asked to do something different and that contributed to the mistake. Kasay would never say, which is one of the things that makes him great...he is an absolute class guy. I think he has proven many times over that he does not choke. The Panthers were very fortunate to get Kasay. He has been a great player and a great leader. I would hate to think of the Panthers without Kasay.

I did not look at this thread for a while because I thought the question the OP asked was absurd. Still do.

agreed with everything, but i'm ready to move on unless he can handle kickoffs.

shayne graham may be available and he's significantly better (or at least last year he was). wouldn't mind bringing him back.

[davos]

Considering how long he's been playing and the numbers he still puts up, he's the best kicker ever to play in the NFL. Don't agree? Well you haven't looked at the numbers of just about all those considered great and compared them to Kasay like I have. You have some great ones that are good from long range, but aren't as good short range. Also, those good from long range, still haven't attempted as many as Kasay has or made as many as Kasay has. You also have some great ones that are good from short range, but not as good at long range (or have only attempted a very small amount). Kasay is one of the great ones that is good at both. As well as attempted and made many kicks from long range. And also has done this for many years. Which to me makes him the greatest kicker of all time. Followed by Jason Hanson.

If you're looking at numbers over careers, Kasay, Elam, Hanson, & Stover all stack up pretty close to one another.

[hank pimple butt]

Great Kicker! He did not cost us that SuperBowl, yes the kick out of bounds hurt....but the D did nothing to stop em. Kasey is an embodiment of what JR envisioned for this team. A gentleman, class act, and great player! doesn't matter if he is a kicker, he deserves a statue outside of the stadium.

[Peppers90 NC]

i guess he has to be one or the other huh?

[KillerKat]

agreed with everything, but i'm ready to move on unless he can handle kickoffs.

shayne graham may be available and he's significantly better (or at least last year he was). wouldn't mind bringing him back.

how the hell is graham significantly better? graham hasnt made a 50+ yarder since 2006 and has only made 7 in his career. Kasay made 3 last year. Hell, graham only played in 9 games and only made 1 from 40+.

Edit: pardon, pro football reference has 09 blank for some reason, but Graham made 2 in 09 (which is his most recently made from 50+) and Kasay made 3 last year. So Kasay still is better.

[Peppers90 NC]

how the hell is graham significantly better? graham hasnt made a 50+ yarder since 2006 and has only made 7 in his career. Kasay made 3 last year. Hell, graham only played in 9 games and only made 1 from 40+.

Edit: pardon, pro football reference has 09 blank for some reason, but Graham made 2 in 09 (which is his most recently made from 50+) and Kasay made 3 last year. So Kasay still is better.

I remember Graham missing that chip shot back in 02 vs the Packers to tie a game. F him.

[rayzor]

how the hell is graham significantly better? graham hasnt made a 50+ yarder since 2006 and has only made 7 in his career. Kasay made 3 last year. Hell, graham only played in 9 games and only made 1 from 40+.

Edit: pardon, pro football reference has 09 blank for some reason, but Graham made 2 in 09 (which is his most recently made from 50+) and Kasay made 3 last year. So Kasay still is better.

there is more to the kicker's job than kicking 50+ yard field goals. anyway, i specified last year, which he was significantly better %-wise.

dude was on fire.

but you look at career and he has a better FG% and XP% than kasay.

plus, graham can do kickoffs without having the ball brought in closer and we don't have to have an extra roster spot made for a kickoff specialist because he can't do the job.

kasay is a great guy (apparently), but we could/should be doing better with the position. graham would be an upgrade.

nothing against kasay, i just think we can do better.

[CRA]

how the hell is graham significantly better? graham hasnt made a 50+ yarder since 2006 and has only made 7 in his career. Kasay made 3 last year. Hell, graham only played in 9 games and only made 1 from 40+.

Edit: pardon, pro football reference has 09 blank for some reason, but Graham made 2 in 09 (which is his most recently made from 50+) and Kasay made 3 last year. So Kasay still is better.

gotta factor in that Kasay is only the 19th most accurate K in NFL history......he does have more 50 yards than everyone ahead of him but he has kicked for 19 years in the NFL. Everyone ahead of him in accuracy is still active but 3 guys and are younger.