Next CBA will require teams to spend $$$$

[SCP]

I stop at Bojangles quite a bit for their awesome biscuits. You can thank me if we sign Aso.

[rayzor]

I think the idea was to spend anyway and give the new coach what he needs to succeed. Very rarely have we ever not bumped up against the cap.

true. there was usually a little wiggle room for emergencies, but it wasn't much.

for most of Fox's tenure weren't we basically hitting the cap anyway?

mostly it was spent on older players that we were holding onto who we shouldn't have. those guys finally got cut.

He already knows he will be spending a ton of money in 2011 if he is going to sign his core players. He will likely have to spend between 80-100 million in signing bonuses alone to resign, Kalil, Williams, Davis, Johnson, Anderson and all the other guys whose contracts are expiring or who they want to extend like Beason. Add to that the 20-30 million on Newton (40-50 if there is no rookie cap) he will given as a signing bonus, and he will approach that cash amount even without the money he will have already committed to salaries for players under contract. While he will be under the cap and will likely take out loans for much of that money he has to pay right away when they sign, our payroll with free agents could approach 200 million.

signing bonuses get spread out through the life of the contract as far as the cap is concerned.

we have only $73mil committed to the cap ($83 including kalil's tag, which they should be able to work out a deal lowering that cap hit for the year).

no one knows what the cap will be, but it should be around $130-135mil. it was at $129mil in '09. that would have us spending at least $117-121mil. contracts that will be going out to guys like williams, CJ, kalil, and newton will be big, but they can be structured to be kind of cap friendly. those four guys could probably have contracts structured so that they would only be a combined 2011 cap hit of $30mil or less (depending on the rookie cap). that would get us just a little bit over $100mil.

the rest of the players they drafted or FAs they want to keep shouldn't add too much to that...maybe another $7-10mil?

point is, if they have to spend 90% of the cap, they will have to bring in a good deal of talent.

one scary thing, the bucs have only about $57mil committed to the cap. i'm not sure what their plans are, but they don't have very many players hitting FA this year. that team could end up getting stacked when all is said and done.

[panthers55]

true. there was usually a little wiggle room for emergencies, but it wasn't much.mostly it was spent on older players that we were holding onto who we shouldn't have. those guys finally got cut.

signing bonuses get spread out through the life of the contract as far as the cap is concerned.

we have only $73mil committed to the cap ($83 including kalil's tag, which they should be able to work out a deal lowering that cap hit for the year).

no one knows what the cap will be, but it should be around $130-135mil. it was at $129mil in '09. that would have us spending at least $117-121mil. contracts that will be going out to guys like williams, CJ, kalil, and newton will be big, but they can be structured to be kind of cap friendly. those four guys could probably have contracts structured so that they would only be a combined 2011 cap hit of $30mil or less (depending on the rookie cap). that would get us just a little bit over $100mil.

the rest of the players they drafted or FAs they want to keep shouldn't add too much to that...maybe another $7-10mil?

point is, if they have to spend 90% of the cap, they will have to bring in a good deal of talent.

one scary thing, the bucs have only about $57mil committed to the cap. i'm not sure what their plans are, but they don't have very many players hitting FA this year. that team could end up getting stacked when all is said and done.

THe point of the article was to say that with the floor being 90% of the cap, it will be measured in cash spent not deals struck or funny money like in years past. So if the cap is 140 million, teams will have to actually spend 126 million in cash. Signing bonuses are paid in full when the contract is signed although for cap purposes it is pro-rated over the life of the contract. So as I said if they sign 5 guys and give each a 20 million signing bonus for example they will have spent 100 million and their payroll for the year will reflect all 100 million. So if they have for example 70 million already committed in salaries for signed players and then spend another 100 million to wrap up the core group and their rookies, the team will have spent 170 million in cash which is what the article was referring. That is the reason we won't be signing a bunch of high priced free agents. It doesn't matter that they all fit under the cap, it matters what Richardson has to pull out of his pocket. He won't be bringing a lot of high priced talent as some hope because the signing bonuses all are paid right away and can add up pretty quickly. They could ameliorate some of that by guaranteeing some of the money with roster bonuses and guaranteed payments in later years of the contract instead of all at the time of signing. So as I said we could have a cap hit of 125 million but actually spend closer to 200 million in actual salary. GMs have to manage both aspects, the cap and the actually payroll which are not the same thing. So I for one doubt we sign many high dollar guys outside of a DT perhaps and maybe a corner. You are focusing on the cap which is only one aspect of the issue.

[davos]

Hmm, interesting. Braylon Edwards and Barry Cofield would make me happy.

Add the mentioned J. Joseph and I think that could be a great & realistic stretch offseason free agency...then fill the o-line depth up with solid mid-level findings. :)

[rayzor]

THe point of the article was to say that with the floor being 90% of the cap, it will be measured in cash spent not deals struck or funny money like in years past. So if the cap is 140 million, teams will have to actually spend 126 million in cash. Signing bonuses are paid in full when the contract is signed although for cap purposes it is pro-rated over the life of the contract. So as I said if they sign 5 guys and give each a 20 million signing bonus for example they will have spent 100 million and their payroll for the year will reflect all 100 million. So if they have for example 70 million already committed in salaries for signed players and then spend another 100 million to wrap up the core group and their rookies, the team will have spent 170 million in cash which is what the article was referring. That is the reason we won't be signing a bunch of high priced free agents. It doesn't matter that they all fit under the cap, it matters what Richardson has to pull out of his pocket. He won't be bringing a lot of high priced talent as some hope because the signing bonuses all are paid right away and can add up pretty quickly. They could ameliorate some of that by guaranteeing some of the money with roster bonuses and guaranteed payments in later years of the contract instead of all at the time of signing. So as I said we could have a cap hit of 125 million but actually spend closer to 200 million in actual salary. GMs have to manage both aspects, the cap and the actually payroll which are not the same thing. So I for one doubt we sign many high dollar guys outside of a DT perhaps and maybe a corner. You are focusing on the cap which is only one aspect of the issue.

gotcha.

fwiw...2 or 3 moderately high priced FAs would be fine, whether it's DT and CB or whatever. there aren't that many huge holes to be filled and if smitty stays, although it would be a struggle, they could get by until next year. with CB and DT, the need is a good bit more urgent.

[panthers55]

gotcha.

fwiw...2 or 3 moderately high priced FAs would be fine, whether it's DT and CB or whatever. there aren't that many huge holes to be filled and if smitty stays, although it would be a struggle, they could get by until next year. with CB and DT, the need is a good bit more urgent.

Agreed. I haven't looked at who's contracts expire after 2011 but we might be in a better place next year to get some more expensive free agents after we sign everyone of the core group this year. Plus free agency will be a very short "free for all" which won't exactly play into getting value and being able to shop around.

[rayzor]

Agreed. I haven't looked at who's contracts expire after 2011 but we might be in a better place next year to get some more expensive free agents after we sign everyone of the core group this year. Plus free agency will be a very short "free for all" which won't exactly play into getting value and being able to shop around.

walter football has a good listing of everyone and when their contracts are up.

http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagentscontractscar.php

right now the only ones who will be FAs next year are barnidge, bernadeau, beason, connor, and godfrey. shouldn't be too bad, esp. if we get beason restructured this year.

this year should be a better gauge than last year to see who on our roster will fit and succeed in rivera's version of the panthers.