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[CarolinaPanthers8789]

I'm not looking deep into anything. Bargain shopping is not throwing big money at anyone. If you want to throw big money at someone then you are against bargain shopping. It is a pretty simple concept

Still going under the interpretation that VJax is retained by San Diego.

But what if I say throw big money at VJax and a little money at Reynaud. Am I for both bargain huning and not bargain hunting?

[pantherclaw]

who said anything about spending money just to spend it? of course you find the right fit, otherwise it's a waste of money.

the issue i have is that you can't say you are going to go bargain shopping and then say you are going to find the right fit. as soon as you say you are bargain shopping, that immediately limits your ability to improve the team and find the true "right fit". it's the right fit with an asterisk.

i could understand speaking this way when you are talking to the press or to agents because you don't want to tip your hand, but this isn't the case. this is some leaky faucet within the organization talking to a friend over lunch.

am i suggesting that they go out and just throw money at every shiny big name? nope. what i am saying is that they should go out and get top talent at each of the four major holes (DT, CB, RG, WR). not the top talent, but a top talent. you get one that fits what you are trying to do here, understanding that you may have to open the pocket book wide to get it.

i don't question the team's commitment to getting better, but i do question their commitment to pinching pennies unnecessarily. they put themselves in a great financial position, but for what reason? so they could keep cheap or so they can improve the team? that's what i'm having a bit of trouble with.

am i thinking too much about this? of course, but it's a message board, that's what happens.

i just want the team to do what it takes to get better. they've gotten off to a good start. i don't want them to handcuff themselves when they don't have to by "bargain shopping."

It is safe to say that you (and the majority) and I have two different understandings of the use of the term "bargain shopping" when it refers to the panthers and free agency.

You most definately can get "your guy" while bargain shopping. Evidence of this is everywhere. S. Davis for the panthers eons ago, the ravens got their guy in bouldin (sp?) Last off season. These are two quick examples. There are more examples every off season.

A lot of you guys complain that the Panthers don't spend money on free agency. Their history says otherwise. Lucas. Proehl, wahle, kemo are just a few examples.

If the panthers went out and got cofield (sp?)and a decent receiver, they wouldn't be making splashes. They'd be bargain shopping for guys that fit a role. I think most fans would be happy with those additions. I'm not saying it's going to happen that way, but it serves as an example.

What I see is the majority of fans over reacting to terminolgy used, when they don't even share the understanding of that terminolgy that the team does.

Y'all act like the team has no desire to fill holes, and compete for the playoffs and more. I simply don't see where you guys get that from.

Agree or disagree, makes no difference to me.

[pantherclaw]

neither do you. so we saved all that money last season. put a poo team on the field to prepare for a lockout, only to continue penny pinching?

I firmly believe that you, and many othrs, have no idea how much money will be left after locking up our core. And whether you think so or not, that is investing major money on players, whether they are free agents or not.

Charles johnson will get a 60 to 70 million dollar contract, with at least 25 mil signing. That is being conservative.

Kalih (I'm sure I'm butchering his name) while tagged, is still eventually going to be signed. 50 to 60 mill, with another 25mil signing bonus, is an very conservative estimate.

Davis, whether ys like it our not will get at least 6mil a year. Possibly more.

Anderson will see at least a 30mill contract. he deserves more.

Williams will get at least 5 to 6 mill a year, and a large bonus.

All these figures are cconservative. This doesn't even mention beason. How much did the 49ers lb get? Same for beason.

That an easy 50 to 60 mil a year on these guys at a very conservative estimate. Don't forget we have cam newton to sign.

The team just can't max out the limit if it wants to stay competitive long term.

They aren't going to pinch any pennies..but you go ahead and keep being delusional.

[pantherclaw]

At least 65 mil a year to lock up our guys. Could be much more.

Realistically is probably closer to 80 to 90 mil a year. This doesn't include our draft picks, or any free agents.

[panthers55]

At least 65 mil a year to lock up our guys. Could be much more.

Realistically is probably closer to 80 to 90 mil a year. This doesn't include our draft picks, or any free agents.

That is a key issue most folks are overlooking. In most years you are only trying to lock up a few players with big contracts. Because we didn't do it last year and guys like Williams last year and Johnson this year were given restricted free agent tenders which will be invalidated with the new CBA, we will have more than the usual number of guys we have to throw big bucks at to resign. Add Kalil, Anderson, Davis and the rest and you have a ton of guys to resign with moderate to big signing bonuses. This doesn't even include Beason at this point. Whether they all fit under the cap or not isn't as important as how much cash JR can get together through his coffers or through loans from the NFL ( off the top of my head I remember the total allowed being maybe 140 million). In any case it will take over 100 million just to lock these guys up and that is money paid out this year. This doesn't include the guys already under contract. So as you say, we could end up using all the money just to keep our core and have relatively little to spend on big buck free agents.

[koolkatluke]

Well this was a fun read.

Thanks NJ for the info.

[chef17]

Still going under the interpretation that VJax is retained by San Diego.

But what if I say throw big money at VJax and a little money at Reynaud. Am I for both bargain huning and not bargain hunting?

1. Don't see the point in even having a conversation about signing someone you think will be retained by their team. Seems like a waste of time to me.

2. I would say no that would still make you against bargain shopping. According to what I perceive as bargain shopping which I stated earlier, wanting to throw money at at least one FA would make you against it. Now if you have a different definition then maybe you could be both according to your own definition.

[rayzor]

It is safe to say that you (and the majority) and I have two different understandings of the use of the term "bargain shopping" when it refers to the panthers and free agency.

You most definately can get "your guy" while bargain shopping. Evidence of this is everywhere. S. Davis for the panthers eons ago, the ravens got their guy in bouldin (sp?) Last off season. These are two quick examples. There are more examples every off season.

A lot of you guys complain that the Panthers don't spend money on free agency. Their history says otherwise. Lucas. Proehl, wahle, kemo are just a few examples.

If the panthers went out and got cofield (sp?)and a decent receiver, they wouldn't be making splashes. They'd be bargain shopping for guys that fit a role. I think most fans would be happy with those additions. I'm not saying it's going to happen that way, but it serves as an example.

What I see is the majority of fans over reacting to terminolgy used, when they don't even share the understanding of that terminolgy that the team does.

Y'all act like the team has no desire to fill holes, and compete for the playoffs and more. I simply don't see where you guys get that from.

Agree or disagree, makes no difference to me.

that "y'all" brush paints a pretty wide stroke. not what i said, but whatever.

[Hairless Cat]

Matt Moore strarting for the Dolphins?

You got to be kidding

[Jpjr]

Matt Moore strarting for the Dolphins?

You got to be kidding

To Moore's credit, I've never seen a franchise backup QB have such religious followers on an online forum. I am surprised he wasn't mentioned as one of the guys that will cost the team $60-90 million to lock up.

[SnarkAttack]

Did your mother help you right that?.

Dude, is this real life? Did you really write that? Gots to work on them insults!

[pantherclaw]

that "y'all" brush paints a pretty wide stroke. not what i said, but whatever.

I was responding to you, and there are many others who are of that opinion...so pretty accurate observation....

But whatever.

[rayzor]

did i say that? did i say that they have no desire to improve things? if i didn't then that wasn't accurate of anything except in showing your limited understanding of people's opinions.

[panthers55]

To Moore's credit, I've never seen a franchise backup QB have such religious followers on an online forum. I am surprised he wasn't mentioned as one of the guys that will cost the team $60-90 million to lock up.

If Cam wasn't picked number 1 in the draft, I am not sure Moore wouldn't be favored as the starter this year. He still seems ahead of Clausen as far as I can see. With so many high draft picks though, he could find himself outside looking in. If we can't find a veteran who will be content mentoring Newton and starting for a year at most (maybe not at all) then there is still a chance we keep him on the roster as a backup with starting potential. After all how many times have we had a quarterback make it through the entire year in the past 5 years. Seems with our luck we need at least 2 potential starters at quarterback, maybe three.