Peppers/Cassel Trade Talks being whispered.

[carpanfan96]

Cassel one year starter Jake 6 year starter. Cassel could be a one year wonder.

I Know he's only started on year, I was just posting Numbers. I don't think he is a one year wonder, but he has a good chance of being one. It largely depends on where he goes. He isn't a good fit here though at all. NE plays a Spread offense, and threw in a lot of shotgun last year for cassel.

[CRA]

2004 was the 29TD season. We also finished 7-9.

Um, Jake played w/ Nick Goings as his RB and Moose and Colbert as his WRs. Not a bad year considering what actually occured.

[Fiz]

2004 was the 29TD season. We also finished 7-9.

yeah why the hell can't jake play defensive tackle and linebacker and running back and wide receiver

[CatfanMO]

Um, Jake played w/ Nick Goings as his RB and Moose and Colbert as his WRs. Not a bad year considering what actually occured.

Yeah 7-9 is a good season. There were a ton of injuries that year. But, when will everybody quit making excuses for our poor performances minus seasons where everybodys hurt. Until everyone wakes up, we will never be better than a NFC championship contender every 3 or 4 years.

[carpanfan96]

Here's a nice breakdown on Cassel. Here's some Highlights from the article.

Early in the season the Patriots ran a conventional NFL offense, with Cassel primarily aligned under center. They used the shotgun only as an occasional changeup or, as many teams do, in long-yardage situations.

It became evident Cassel was not particularly comfortable dropping back from center. He often seemed rushed and hurried, with a tendency to quickly lose his reading definition. That's why he ran so frequently. He was not seeing the field with clarity, and his instincts compelled him to leave the pocket whether it was necessary or not.

He was very mechanical and robotic in his progressions and reads. If he could determine his throw based on the pre-snap read, he made it. If he couldn't, and he had to process information as he dropped, he struggled. As a result, he did not show a lot of patience in the pocket, often moving directly into the pass rush. That's the main reason Cassel was sacked so often in the first half of the season.

In addition, Cassel wasn't demonstrating the willingness to pull the trigger on tighter throws at the intermediate and deeper levels. Those are the kinds of plays that work off five- and seven-step drops with the quarterback under center.

What the Patriots learned as the season progressed was that Cassel was far more comfortable and relaxed playing in the shotgun. Their overtime loss to the Jets in mid-November solidified that belief. The Patriots fell behind 24-6 in the second quarter, and from that point on, Cassel was exclusively in the shotgun.

That defeat was the first of six consecutive games in which 88 percent of Cassel's pass attempts came out of the shotgun. The shotgun spread, often with three wide receivers, stretched the field horizontally.

It was predominantly a short passing game, with the throw defined quickly and the ball coming out fast.

Cassel had more rhythm to his drop and set from the shotgun. He was poised and comfortable, and he saw the field with more clarity. This led to more patience in the pocket, with less of a willingness to take off and run prematurely.

The other critical element that resulted from the widespread use of the shotgun was the functional space it provided Cassel in the pocket. There was more immediate distance between Cassel and the bodies in front of him, and that gave him room to step up and deliver.

Cassel is not an efficient passer when the pocket gets "muddied" or constricted. The velocity of his throws, slightly above average at best, decreases dramatically when he lacks that functional space.

In the last seven weeks of the season, the Patriots were primarily a shotgun passing team. They did not call a lot of drop-back plays. Why? Because Cassel was simply not very good at it.

When the Patriots wanted to get the ball deeper down the field, they put Cassel under center and went play-action. In those situations, they always used seven- or eight-man protection schemes to make certain Cassel had time and space. The emphasis on play-action also helped Cassel because it is almost always an either/or read; you throw the ball based on the positioning and movement of one defender, usually one of the safeties.

[CatfanMO]

Here's a nice breakdown on Cassel. Here's some Highlights from the article.

Early in the season the Patriots ran a conventional NFL offense, with Cassel primarily aligned under center. They used the shotgun only as an occasional changeup or, as many teams do, in long-yardage situations.

It became evident Cassel was not particularly comfortable dropping back from center. He often seemed rushed and hurried, with a tendency to quickly lose his reading definition. That's why he ran so frequently. He was not seeing the field with clarity, and his instincts compelled him to leave the pocket whether it was necessary or not.

He was very mechanical and robotic in his progressions and reads. If he could determine his throw based on the pre-snap read, he made it. If he couldn't, and he had to process information as he dropped, he struggled. As a result, he did not show a lot of patience in the pocket, often moving directly into the pass rush. That's the main reason Cassel was sacked so often in the first half of the season.

In addition, Cassel wasn't demonstrating the willingness to pull the trigger on tighter throws at the intermediate and deeper levels. Those are the kinds of plays that work off five- and seven-step drops with the quarterback under center.

What the Patriots learned as the season progressed was that Cassel was far more comfortable and relaxed playing in the shotgun. Their overtime loss to the Jets in mid-November solidified that belief. The Patriots fell behind 24-6 in the second quarter, and from that point on, Cassel was exclusively in the shotgun.

That defeat was the first of six consecutive games in which 88 percent of Cassel's pass attempts came out of the shotgun. The shotgun spread, often with three wide receivers, stretched the field horizontally.

It was predominantly a short passing game, with the throw defined quickly and the ball coming out fast.

Cassel had more rhythm to his drop and set from the shotgun. He was poised and comfortable, and he saw the field with more clarity. This led to more patience in the pocket, with less of a willingness to take off and run prematurely.

The other critical element that resulted from the widespread use of the shotgun was the functional space it provided Cassel in the pocket. There was more immediate distance between Cassel and the bodies in front of him, and that gave him room to step up and deliver.

Cassel is not an efficient passer when the pocket gets "muddied" or constricted. The velocity of his throws, slightly above average at best, decreases dramatically when he lacks that functional space.

In the last seven weeks of the season, the Patriots were primarily a shotgun passing team. They did not call a lot of drop-back plays. Why? Because Cassel was simply not very good at it.

When the Patriots wanted to get the ball deeper down the field, they put Cassel under center and went play-action. In those situations, they always used seven- or eight-man protection schemes to make certain Cassel had time and space. The emphasis on play-action also helped Cassel because it is almost always an either/or read; you throw the ball based on the positioning and movement of one defender, usually one of the safeties.

So changing schemes can be successful:cool:

[CRA]

Yeah 7-9 is a good season. There were a ton of injuries that year. But, when will everybody quit making excuses for our poor performances minus seasons where everybodys hurt. Until everyone wakes up, we will never be better than a NFC championship contender every 3 or 4 years.

injuries are a reality of football. 04 we were lucky to have a chance to make a late playoff attempt b/c of mass injuries. 07 we didn't have QB. Injuries aren't an excuse but they can easily take a team out of contention.

[Brooklyn Bully]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaah I want my team to sign every free agent and Make every trade even it's not feasible waaaaaaaaaaAaaaaah

waaaaaaaaaaaaaah System QB, wahhhhhhhhhh. We here at the Huddle are the only people on Earth who know the truth about Cassel waaaaaaAhhhhh.

I know he's a huge risk, and he ain't coming here, but people aren't wrong in wanting him to compete for Jake's spot. Jake doesn't have much life left in him.

[thefuzz]

Here's a nice breakdown on Cassel. Here's some Highlights from the article.

Early in the season the Patriots ran a conventional NFL offense, with Cassel primarily aligned under center. They used the shotgun only as an occasional changeup or, as many teams do, in long-yardage situations.

It became evident Cassel was not particularly comfortable dropping back from center. He often seemed rushed and hurried, with a tendency to quickly lose his reading definition. That's why he ran so frequently. He was not seeing the field with clarity, and his instincts compelled him to leave the pocket whether it was necessary or not.

He was very mechanical and robotic in his progressions and reads. If he could determine his throw based on the pre-snap read, he made it. If he couldn't, and he had to process information as he dropped, he struggled. As a result, he did not show a lot of patience in the pocket, often moving directly into the pass rush. That's the main reason Cassel was sacked so often in the first half of the season.

In addition, Cassel wasn't demonstrating the willingness to pull the trigger on tighter throws at the intermediate and deeper levels. Those are the kinds of plays that work off five- and seven-step drops with the quarterback under center.

What the Patriots learned as the season progressed was that Cassel was far more comfortable and relaxed playing in the shotgun. Their overtime loss to the Jets in mid-November solidified that belief. The Patriots fell behind 24-6 in the second quarter, and from that point on, Cassel was exclusively in the shotgun.

That defeat was the first of six consecutive games in which 88 percent of Cassel's pass attempts came out of the shotgun. The shotgun spread, often with three wide receivers, stretched the field horizontally.

It was predominantly a short passing game, with the throw defined quickly and the ball coming out fast.

Cassel had more rhythm to his drop and set from the shotgun. He was poised and comfortable, and he saw the field with more clarity. This led to more patience in the pocket, with less of a willingness to take off and run prematurely.

The other critical element that resulted from the widespread use of the shotgun was the functional space it provided Cassel in the pocket. There was more immediate distance between Cassel and the bodies in front of him, and that gave him room to step up and deliver.

Cassel is not an efficient passer when the pocket gets "muddied" or constricted. The velocity of his throws, slightly above average at best, decreases dramatically when he lacks that functional space.

In the last seven weeks of the season, the Patriots were primarily a shotgun passing team. They did not call a lot of drop-back plays. Why? Because Cassel was simply not very good at it.

When the Patriots wanted to get the ball deeper down the field, they put Cassel under center and went play-action. In those situations, they always used seven- or eight-man protection schemes to make certain Cassel had time and space. The emphasis on play-action also helped Cassel because it is almost always an either/or read; you throw the ball based on the positioning and movement of one defender, usually one of the safeties.

Not really what I want on my team, at least not for Pep and the first rounder that we would be losing...(if we could trade him).

If he was a rookie, or even second year player doing this, I could make an exception, but no someone who has been in the league for a few years.

[CatfanMO]

I would just like some competition for Delhomme. I would rather someone having a proven season(one hit wonder or not) compete. Cassel has done more than Moore and McCown combined.^^^^^^^^^^

[thefuzz]

I would just like some competition for Delhomme. I would rather someone having a proven season(one hit wonder or not) compete. Cassel has done more than Moore and McCown combined.^^^^^^^^^^

I hear ya, I am just not keen on giving up our franchise DE, or the picks that we could get for him, for competition.....and at a 75mil contract number.

Get Leftwich if we need competition.

[methodtoll]

I would just like some competition for Delhomme. I would rather someone having a proven season(one hit wonder or not) compete. Cassel has done more than Moore and McCown combined.^^^^^^^^^^

Cassel may have done more then Moore but McCown? Please...

McCown was a guy that Carolina always wanted since his days in Arizona. McCown, in a winning situation, could easily have as much success as Cassel. I just wish people would give McCown a shot before shooting him down completely

[CatfanMO]

Cassel may have done more then Moore but McCown? Please...

McCown was a guy that Carolina always wanted since his days in Arizona. McCown, in a winning situation, could easily have as much success as Cassel. I just wish people would give McCown a shot before shooting him down completely

I just cant fathem your theory. Calling one guy a one hit wonder in one hand and saying another just needs a chance in the other. You should go to the combine so you could spot the busts.:smilielol5:

[unicar15]

I hear ya, I am just not keen on giving up our franchise DE, or the picks that we could get for him, for competition.....and at a 75mil contract number.

Get Leftwich if we need competition.

So bring in another QB that doesn't know the system to lose to Jake in a competition??