Court engaged in "settlement talks", court-ordered mediation for next week cancelled!

[antame]

And...I take back what I said about Dave.

[RealisticFan]

Yeah. I'm all mixed up.

Well at least you can admit it. :D

[antame]

Well at least you can admit it. :D

Hey, I admit it because I'm a big, expansive man. You are a small, petty man [/Larry David].

[DaveThePanther2008]

God you're stupid, 51 year old DaveThePanther2008.

Shut the hell up and go empty your drool bucket.

Oh outstanding rebuttal. Did you have to cut and paste that or did you actually think it up all by yourself. Shows your IQ as being most likely a negative number.

Must be nice to get special treatment at the Golden Corral.

Moron!!!!!

[twylyght]

you shouldn't.

capital has triumphed over labor once again, simply by gaming the legal system.

they've won because they're in better position to weather a federal case.

they've won because it's easier to marshall 31 white millionaires than 1500+ football players.

they've won because the system is gamed in their favor.

f*ck all our lives.

If only we could all be flogged as badly as the NFLPA.

As for capital triumphing over labor, that is more true within the ranks of union organizations than amongst employers. I can think of few more than union leadership that have screwed their own constituents because they've not allowed competition for unionized services. To top that, you'd have to cross the Potomac into Mordor at your own risk to see how those jackals pilfer the rest of the nation for their own ill-gotten gains.

[Darth Biscuit]

I was thinking last night more about this... who is really getting screwed here are all the vendors, restaurant workers, hotel workers, security guards and people like that whose livelihood depends on the NFL. Hopefully the courts are considering all of those people too.

[Hairless Cat]

He ranks on the same level of importance as you.

Take that as you will.

lmfao

[MadHatter]

OK let me put it this way... THEY AREN'T BEING MISTREATED!!!! PERIOD.

This is about controlling the money. This is like you walking up to your boss saying me and my fellow employees want 50% of the companies profit. When you are over at your desk packing up your things then you will realize what a stupid thing you just did. There isn't a company out there that increases salaries based on company profit. You may see a christmas Bonus but you won't see an increase in salary based on profit.

And since you want to be a smart-ass about it. The average Salary is close to 2 million per season. Hardly scrapping by. As a previous poster noted. If you (as would I) had the talent to play professional football you would drop your trival job and be at training camp the next day.

If this were about Labor then why did the Union decretify? This is about the players determining how the NFL will be run. Brady and Brees don't give a rats ass about the future of the NFL. They only care about themselves and what they can get.

When the players ruin the NFL by eliminating the draft, Free Agency and salary caps (Min and Max) You will have ther perennial powers and the upstarts. You will have 5 or 6 teams with players having 9 figure salaries and most of the others 6 figure.

But what the hell. The players are SSSSSOOOOOO mistreated.

Fact is that they want over 50% of the REVENUE....not profits.

This demand by the players was agregious and ridiculous. The owners are expected to make less money after paying the operating expenses of the team than many of the individual EMPLOYEES do.

[panthers55]

Fact is that they want over 50% of the REVENUE....not profits.

This demand by the players was agregious and ridiculous. The owners are expected to make less money after paying the operating expenses of the team than many of the individual EMPLOYEES do.

That is a huge point here that player apologists seem to miss. The player's share does not come out of profits after expenses but revenue before expenses. Which of course is going up as all prices do. Problem is costs are going up as well but there is not an adjustment for that. Owners asked for more money taken out of the pot before it is split up to pay expenses like stadium expansion etc, and that is the crux of the argument. Players don't want to acknowledge increased costs or pay for any of them. Owners think they are getting a smaller piece of the pie as expenses rise. Thus the impasse.

[Rhys]

Moron!!!!!

It's ok. Dave has called me a 'fugging racist pig' in big bright red text. Fun time.

This is about controlling the money. This is like you walking up to your boss saying me and my fellow employees want 50% of the companies profit.

If this were about Labor then why did the Union decretify? This is about the players determining how the NFL will be run. Brady and Brees don't give a rats ass about the future of the NFL. They only care about themselves and what they can get.

When the players ruin the NFL by eliminating the draft, Free Agency and salary caps...

I dare you to be more wrong. I dare you.

When exactly did the players put the game on hold so that they could demand 50% of the profits from the NFL? The current deal expired and the owners refused to extend, rather they wanted to give the players an 18% cut in salary, increase the schedule to 18 games, implement a rookie salary scale, and not increase health benefits.

Also, employees salaries regularly increase with a company increasing success. That's why the players average salaries are where they are. Otherwise they'd still be making peanuts and instead of just 4 yachts apiece, the owners would have 16 each.

So you're saying the players only want out of this what's best for their own pockets, and you assume it's ANY different for the owners? That is the absolute dumbest assumption I've read of yours.

Are there owners that care about the longevity of the game? Sure. Are there players that do as well? Sure. Are there more on both sides that care about the bank accounts, stocks, investments and property? Quite possibly.

You're so quick to jump on the employee/employer narrative because it's makes things so simple for you.

I wish I had as narrow a perspective as you. This whole debacle would be a lot easier to understand.

PLayerz BAAAAAAAD, OWnerz GOOOOOOOOOOOOD

DEmawriz SMWIth MEGGGGGAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

[MadHatter]

It's ok. Dave has called me a 'fugging racist pig' in big bright red text. Fun time.

I dare you to be more wrong. I dare you.

When exactly did the players put the game on hold so that they could demand 50% of the profits from the NFL? The current deal expired and the owners refused to extend, rather they wanted to give the players an 18% cut in salary, increase the schedule to 18 games, implement a rookie salary scale, and not increase health benefits.

Also, employees salaries regularly increase with a company increasing success. That's why the players average salaries are where they are. Otherwise they'd still be making peanuts and instead of just 4 yachts apiece, the owners would have 16 each.

So you're saying the players only want out of this what's best for their own pockets, and you assume it's ANY different for the owners? That is the absolute dumbest assumption I've read of yours.

Are there owners that care about the longevity of the game? Sure. Are there players that do as well? Sure. Are there more on both sides that care about the bank accounts, stocks, investments and property? Quite possibly.

You're so quick to jump on the employee/employer narrative because it's makes things so simple for you.

I wish I had as narrow a perspective as you. This whole debacle would be a lot easier to understand.

PLayerz BAAAAAAAD, OWnerz GOOOOOOOOOOOOD

DEmawriz SMWIth MEGGGGGAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD

You should go back and crunch a few numbers before talking out of your ass.

The owners did NOT try and reduce the players salaries. The salary cap in their offer was to increase EVERY year.

[carolinarolls]

There cannot be a society where the employees dictate how the owners of businesses operate.

Any fool who thinks that there can be should explain to me how there will be people out there willing to take the risks of ownership only to find out that who they hire will insulate themselves with attorneys and and remove control from their hands without taking on any ownership risks whatsoever.

There will be no business. People with the money to invest in them will stuff a mattress with cash and contribute charitably only in effort of a tax shelter instead of making the investment, hiring the out of work citizens, and creating ten or a hundred tax paying citizens who can support their families.

[Rhys]

Also, I can think of a lot better smug jokes about 'scraping by' with the owners wealth.

Poor poor owners, the players are demanding so much of them, they can barely pay their expenses. They're scrounging around for for profits just to make ends meet. They're forced to make a busch light $12 and a hotdog $9. They all have the game's longevity and best interest in mind, and are just scrambling to maintain it as the players try desperately to destroy it on a mad run for money.

The private jets and yachts and 12 houses are just so they can move from one place to another with just a little comfort in between SAVING the game against the oppressive force of the evil union.

The players immense demands over the last deal made it so the Jerry Jones cathedral was limited to only 109,000 seats, when clearly the players salaries held it back from being the projected 200,000. The owners are forced to tear down awful stadiums, like the Giants, and build crappy ones in their place, because they just can't afford all the luxuries.

Poor owners, the game is struggling, they have longevity, a higher purpose, than those greedy good for nothing players. Soon the players Death Star will be complete, and the galaxy will be theirs.

[carolinarolls]

Also, I can think of a lot better smug jokes about 'scraping by' with the owners wealth.

Poor poor owners, the players are demanding so much of them, they can barely pay their expenses. They're scrounging around for for profits just to make ends meet. They're forced to make a busch light $12 and a hotdog $9. They all have the game's longevity and best interest in mind, and are just scrambling to maintain it as the players try desperately to destroy it on a mad run for money.

The private jets and yachts and 12 houses are just so they can move from one place to another with just a little comfort in between SAVING the game against the oppressive force of the evil union.

The players immense demands over the last deal made it so the Jerry Jones cathedral was limited to only 109,000 seats, when clearly the players salaries held it back from being the projected 200,000. The owners are forced to tear down awful stadiums, like the Giants, and build crappy ones in their place, because they just can't afford all the luxuries.

Poor owners, the game is struggling, they have longevity, a higher purpose, than those greedy good for nothing players. Soon the players Death Star will be complete, and the galaxy will be theirs.

pie for the whiner

you obviously need it

oh yeah, its not about the "poor owners" it's about the players lawyering up and trying to fleece the owners for 50% off the top because they are THAT ******* DERANGED and have a severely inflated view of themselves.