Greg Cosell talks about Clausen

[CRA]

You said they admitted to it. Do you have proof that they said that?

If anything it was reverse, when Clausen came in they threw significanlty more deep plays and bascially relied on that to win them games in 08.

Its naive to think he would change a enitre offence he's never coached to suit one player. His system was already complex enough, and now all the players on his team are suddlenley going to have to drop that, and learn another complex one for one QB? He wouldve been risking to much and hurting Clasuen not helping him.

Yes, but why did he have a losing record? He was a great Qb so shouldn't he have led his team to just one bowl game, have one more win over .500? Why wasnt he able to do that?

http://m.si.com/news/2551755

i would say you didn't watch ND play w/ Clausen.....that is what I gather from your post. There was a heavy emphasis on the short throw and the dink and dunk for Clausen......you just claimed the opposite is what was pushed? That just isn't true. I mean, Clausen was even on Panthers.com with reporters asking him about his retard throwing motion and he explained to them why Weiss didn't try to correct the horrific motion.......b/c Weiss wasn't going to have him sitting in the pocket going deep downfield. Clausen said he and Weiss made it a priority for them to get the ball out as quick as possible making his throwing motion a non-issue in college.

John Elway had a losing record b/c he played for Stanford in the early 80's. Despite that, Elway still knocked off top teams in the nation. Top 5 and top 10 and top 25 schools. John Elway beat big time schools and programs. Great QBs beat teams in college. Again, name one QB who lost in college and didn't beat anyone? They don't exist. Jimmy's 'big" win in college wa against a pathetic Hawii team......THAT means a lot more than you are willing to admit. There are no great QBs that had a Clausen resume in college.

Clausen's college career is highlighted by a single win over Hawaii (that is pathetic).

I don't have time at work to find you of what Clausen was doing at ND. Dink and dunkers do throw downfield on occassion. Clausen's stats in college were generated by playing EXACTLY like he did his rookie year in Carolina. It didn't fit our offense.....b/c Davidson's offense ain't designed for those pooty throws.

[rayzor]

LMAO at what Fox told him.

it's all football, right?

i'm so glad we got rid of him.

[Jpjr]

Weiss ran a variation of a WCO for Clausen....he didn't run a true WCO. It was smart.....he had to do it b/c of Clausen's skill set.

There was a lot of similar verbage and it was a pro style offense. It was NOT the same offense Clausen ran at ND. He was asked to make different throws and that make a HUGE difference.

again, excuses....in college, great QBs find ways to win. In college not only didn't win but he never beat one legit team. There is no great NFL QB who not only lost in college AND didn't beat anyone worth a poot. There are tons of great NFL QBs who were the team in college and made up for a weak cast on offense and defense. That doesn't mean they will win them all....but they do stick to it some legit teams. Clausen never did diddly poo. Even in high school his his "accomplishments" are weak.

LOL, Elway? Elway's greatest win wasn't against a team comparable to Hawaii. Elway's senior season he beat the #2 and #13 ranked teams in the nation. There is no QB worth a poot who lost in college AND never beat a legit team. Comical to suggest Elway's meets that criteria.

Excuses? Clausen throws 5 touchdowns and 0 picks against Andrew Luck in his last football game at ND but it's his fault that Toby Gerhart ran for over 200 yards and even THREW A TOUCHDOWN PASS against ND's defense? There is literally nothing more he could have done to help his team win. It's like saying Beason was no good last year because his offense couldn't put points on the board.

Clausen's mechanics were significantly affected by his toe injury. It's clear as day to anyone that looks at film and why Gruden and others used to talk about his footwork and release glowingly. His velocity and motion was clearly different than last year at ND, and much different than before the original injury in Sep 2009. Because of his pro-day last year he did not get the time he needed to heal after his first surgury and aggrivated it again very quickly. To the extent he is 100% for this season (if there is one) it will be very interesting to see how his mechanics look.

Keep in mind this isn't a defense of Clausen's play - I'm not asserting that he is going to light it up this year all of the sudden. I'm just saying there was a story behind all this and we shouldn't discount the fact that he could not plant properly basically all season.

[CRA]

Excuses? Clausen throws 5 touchdowns and 0 picks against Andrew Luck in his last football game at ND but it's his fault that Toby Gerhart ran for over 200 yards and even THREW A TOUCHDOWN PASS against ND's defense? There is literally nothing more he could have done to help his team win. It's like saying Beason was no good last year because his offense couldn't put points on the board.

Clausen's mechanics were significantly affected by his toe injury. It's clear as day to anyone that looks at film and why Gruden and others used to talk about his footwork and release glowingly. His velocity and motion was clearly different than last year at ND, and much different than before the original injury in Sep 2009. Because of his pro-day last year he did not get the time he needed to heal after his first surgury and aggrivated it again very quickly. To the extent he is 100% for this season (if there is one) it will be very interesting to see how his mechanics look.

Keep in mind this isn't a defense of Clausen's play - I'm not asserting that he is going to light it up this year all of the sudden. I'm just saying there was a story behind all this and we shouldn't discount the fact that he could not plant properly basically all season.

Clausen was never a good QB b/c he never beat anyone.......no one. Great QBs simply can put a team on their back and win games that matter in college. Doesn't mean they can consistantly do it on a weaker team (like a Cam Newton for example).....but they do it.

The only thing Clausen did was beat Hawaii. No matter the spin or excuses or numbers on a stat sheet nitpicked out.......all he did was beat Hawaii. No great NFL story begins that way.....

It is always an excuse when Jimmy's name is brought up. He wasn't impressive in high school, college or in the pros. He has always been hype...and his play never matched it.

[Jpjr]

Clausen was never a good QB b/c he never beat anyone.......no one. Great QBs simply can put a team on their back and win games that matter in college. Doesn't mean they can consistantly do it on a weaker team (like a Cam Newton for example).....but they do it.

The only thing Clausen did was beat Hawaii. No matter the spin or excuses or numbers on a stat sheet nitpicked out.......all he did was beat Hawaii. No great NFL story begins that way.....

It is always an excuse when Jimmy's name is brought up. He wasn't impressive in high school, college or in the pros. He has always been hype...and his play never matched it.

You keep bringing up Notre Dame as a proxy for Clausen. Then you bring up his high school... which I don't think lost a game in 3 years with Clausen at QB.... yet apparently he was unimpressive while his team won games. I am having a hard time following your logic with you bouncing all over the place other than Clausen has always been terrible whether his team has won lots of games or it hasn't.

[CRA]

You keep bringing up Notre Dame as a proxy for Clausen. Then you bring up his high school... which I don't think lost a game in 3 years with Clausen at QB.... yet apparently he was unimpressive while his team won games. I am having a hard time following your logic with you bouncing all over the place other than Clausen has always been terrible whether his team has won lots of games or it hasn't.

Do you know anything about the high school he played for and their opponents? Do you know why Kalil is always on twitter making fun of Clausen and his "accomplishments" in high school?

Clausen has always been a name and hype.....he has never done little if anything impressive on a football field. Beating up on retards in high school with a stacked private school roster doesn't mean anything.....it ain't like he was down the road playing against the likes of the Rock Hill area schools.

When your team averages 53 pts a game and your opponents average 6 pts a game........that doesn't mean you are good. It means you aren't playing real football games.

[jtnc]

Clausen never was and probably will never be anything, but mediocre.

[MaineManPanther]

i would say you didn't watch ND play w/ Clausen.....that is what I gather from your post. There was a heavy emphasis on the short throw and the dink and dunk for Clausen......you just claimed the opposite is what was pushed? That just isn't true. I mean, Clausen was even on Panthers.com with reporters asking him about his retard throwing motion and he explained to them why Weiss didn't try to correct the horrific motion.......b/c Weiss wasn't going to have him sitting in the pocket going deep downfield. Clausen said he and Weiss made it a priority for them to get the ball out as quick as possible making his throwing motion a non-issue in college.

John Elway had a losing record b/c he played for Stanford in the early 80's. Despite that, Elway still knocked off top teams in the nation. Top 5 and top 10 and top 25 schools. John Elway beat big time schools and programs. Great QBs beat teams in college. Again, name one QB who lost in college and didn't beat anyone? They don't exist. Jimmy's 'big" win in college wa against a pathetic Hawii team......THAT means a lot more than you are willing to admit. There are no great QBs that had a Clausen resume in college.

Clausen's college career is highlighted by a single win over Hawaii (that is pathetic).

I don't have time at work to find you of what Clausen was doing at ND. Dink and dunkers do throw downfield on occassion. Clausen's stats in college were generated by playing EXACTLY like he did his rookie year in Carolina. It didn't fit our offense.....b/c Davidson's offense ain't designed for those pooty throws.

It is true, for almost all of 2008 (Clausen's first full season as starter) the short offence was there weak point. But they found much success with Clausen in there vertical passing game. So they pushed, relied, and won with that for half the season.

Then they played better defences, who took the big throws away and forced them to run and/or consistenly excute there short-intermediate passing offence. Which they failed to do, and the offence struggled the last half.

Ive already provided to legimate sources that argue that this wasn't a west coast varation.

The site Clashmore Mike. A site that watches and objectivley analyzes every

Notre Dame game and meticulously explains examines both sides of the ball.:

the big play offense under Weis with Clausen, et. al. is that it wasn’t screens and short passes with big run-after-catch yardage added on—Weis didn’t run a West Coast offense or a screen-heavy spread offense by any stretch.

That doesn’t, however, mean the receivers weren’t contributing to the explosive plays. Most of the big gains for Clausen were “jump balls” to Tate and Floyd. Clausen correctly identified the one-on-one coverage (at least most of the time), lobbed it up, and let the height of Floyd and/or athleticism of Tate do the rest.

And John Fox:

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I think it's going to help me tremendously, being in coach Weis' system," Clausen said of the offense run by John Fox in Carolina. "Coach Fox told me he said it was the same exact system I've played in the last three years. I'm really excited about that."

And a few more that all corelates with each other.

You haven't provided anything , outside your words, to substainate your claim. Im not demanding you to give the link while your working. Whenever your free, I would like to see the link where Weis and Clausen state they ran/run a West coast style of offence.

[CRA]

It is true, for almost all of 2008 (Clausen's first full season as starter) the short offence was there weak point. But they found much success with Clausen in there vertical passing game. So they pushed, relied, and won with that for half the season.

Then they played better defences, who took the big throws away and forced them to run and/or consistenly excute there short-intermediate passing offence. Which they failed to do, and the offence struggled the last half.

Ive already provided to legimate sources that argue that this wasn't a west coast varation.

The site Clashmore Mike. A site that watches and objectivley analyzes every

Notre Dame game and meticulously explains examines both sides of the ball.:

And John Fox:

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And a few more that all corelates with each other.

You haven't provided anything , outside your words, to substainate your claim. Im not demanding you to give the link while your working. Whenever your free, I would like to see the link where Weis and Clausen state they ran/run a West coast style of offence.

Please understand that I am not stating Weis ran a Bill Walsh WCO. Weiss had to incorporate WC principles into his offense for Jimmy Clausen ( that is why I state it was a variation of a WCO offense ). Jimmy has even commented on that while in a Panther uniform......and it is impossible to deny if you watched Clausen at ND.

Charlie Weiss did not run a true a Erhardt-Perkins.......he isn't a shitty offensive mind like a Jeff Davidson. Weis won't paint himself into a corner to the degree a Jeff Davidson does/did.

[MaineManPanther]

Please understand that I am not stating Weis ran a Bill Walsh WCO. Weiss had to incorporate WC principles into his offense for Jimmy Clausen ( that is why I state it was a variation of a WCO offense ). Jimmy has even commented on that while in a Panther uniform......and it is impossible to deny if you watched Clausen at ND.

Charlie Weiss did not run a true a Erhardt-Perkins.......he isn't a pooty offensive mind like a Jeff Davidson. Weis won't paint himself into a corner to the degree a Jeff Davidson does/did.

Weis is a intelligent OC , I have no doubt he incorprated some WC in his offence. But overall the two years when Clasuen started he ran a offence that heavily revoled around less short passes and more vertical. I never heard Clausen discuss this, so if you have a link that would be great. I have already displayed several other sites of people who watch Notre Dame Football and all seem to align to my argument.

I totally agree, Weis and Davidson are not near the same level. And Weis did not run a true Erhardt-Perkins, but a varation and with other adjustments added in.

[Jpjr]

Weis is a intelligent OC , I have no doubt he incorprated some WC in his offence. But overall the two years when Clasuen started he ran a offence that heavily revoled around less short passes and more vertical. I never heard Clausen discuss this, so if you have a link that would be great. I have already displayed several other sites of people who watch Notre Dame Football and all seem to align to my argument.

I totally agree, Weis and Davidson are not near the same level. And Weis did not run a true Erhardt-Perkins, but a varation and with other adjustments added in.

CRA does not appear to know much about Notre Dame's offense under Charlie Weis or Jimmy Clausen's high school. When Clausen's team loses it is his fault but when his team wins it is not his fault. The only thing consistent about his posts are his dislike of Clausen along with an over-reliance on support derived from Twitter.

[CRA]

CRA does not appear to know much about Notre Dame's offense under Charlie Weis or Jimmy Clausen's high school. When Clausen's team loses it is his fault but when his team wins it is not his fault. The only thing consistent about his posts are his dislike of Clausen along with an over-reliance on support derived from Twitter.

actually, if you read Maine's last post we agree on some things and I will be happy to find the Clausen clip for him tonight.

Please explain to me about Clausen's high school accomplishments then? Like I posted previously, when you play for a stacked private school that averages 50+ pts a game against opponents that average 6 pts a game ......you aren't playing football. Why don't you look into their opponents a little in addition to Clausen's high school. It is pretty ironic you are pimping his HS resume now and in the same post talking about how uninformed people are.

the only twitter comment I have refered to was Kalil picking on Clausen's joke high school resume......and it is a joke.

[MaineManPanther]

CRA does not appear to know much about Notre Dame's offense under Charlie Weis or Jimmy Clausen's high school. When Clausen's team loses it is his fault but when his team wins it is not his fault. The only thing consistent about his posts are his dislike of Clausen along with an over-reliance on support derived from Twitter.

While I disagree with some of his argument. Clausen's high school was pretty stacked, (12 divison one recurits) and played bad competition, so I can see the argument. Though I think he still deserves credit and they did destroy a nationally ranked team.

[Jpjr]

While I disagree with some of his argument. Clausen's high school was pretty stacked, (12 divison one recurits) and played bad competition, so I can see the argument. Though I think he still deserves credit and they did destroy a nationally ranked team.

Again, how do you have it both ways? The Golden Calf of Bristol's team at Florida was stacked with 5 star recruits. Bradford's team at Oklahoma had three players drafted in the top 10 last year if memory serves me. McElroy at Bama didn't lose a game in high school or college until last season. You can't simply pick and choose when it is the "player" or the "team" based on whether or not you like the person in question.

I'm not pointing this out because I believe Clausen will be a great quarterback in the NFL. Just responding to bias here from people that still don't understand why he was drafted.