Carolina a potential landing spot for Mebane?

[panthers55]

Well the fact that they keep drafting DTs says something. But yes I would think Giants want him back but simply wont pay what he is about to get in FA. And I think that is the exact same reason Seahawks think they cant keep Mebane.

Both clubs want to resign but wont because it is too expensive. So yes I think their situations is very much the same. I am not saying Mebane is just as good as Cofield but only that their situations is the same.

The thing with Mebane is he can play all three downs. Landri can not. That reason alone makes Mebane the better player. But I agree with the Seahawks that he will be to expensive for what he brings and therefore I am not on the sign Mebane wagon.

What I am hearing is that the Giants want Cofield but are going to let him establish his price in free agency and that they will either try to match or beat it if it makes sense for them.

What I have heard is that with Mebane they are going in a different direction much like we are with Marshall. I don't know, I could be wrong.

As for Landri, he can play all three downs like Mebane but as I said before, this isn't a Landri versus Mebane debate. I just pulled him out of the hat because his numbers were better than Mebane.

We do agree that he is too expensive for what he brings to the table.

[DaveThePanther2008]

So he had 31 tackles and 1 sack in 2010. Why would we pay big bucks to pick him up when Landri had better numbers than that with 43 tackles and 3 sacks. I would want an upgrade which I am not sure he is. There is a reason Seattle isn't resigning him.

I am with you. I like Landri motor. I think Rivera will like him as well. We don't need a superstar at DT. We need a solid contributor. I would rather throw the money at TD then a DT that had 1 sack.

[SorthNarolina]

TO say you would consider anytthing else but the numbers as most important is ridiculous to me. I have folks who work for me whose job is to sell programs to families. If they came to me saying they did a great job but the results of their sales were totally lacking I would show them them the door. The same is true in any career or sport. The result is what matters and that is measured in stats which comparable numbers based on agreed upon criteria.

THe whole notion that results don't seem to matter is a huddle thing I don't understand. In the rest of the world, results are what matters above all else.

without considering anything else but the numbers James Anderson is better than Jon Beason. You need to let people know because apparently there is this wild rumor that Beason is the best linebacker on the team.

[KillerKat]

First of all did Williams make thhe probowl this year?? No. Did he have a great year?? No. Did anyone say Landri was better than Williams?? No. But Landri was more productive this year, the numbers show that.

As for the premise Landri was more productive because he was on the field more, that is totally unproven unless you have find me stats about how many snaps each took this year. (Uptown might have that stat) Landri was a role player and not on the field for every snap. So even though the Panther's defense was on the field, to say Landri was on the field more than Williams is speculation without stats or numbers to back it up.

Then again according to you, who looks at those, after all they don't mean much at all. Funny how you argue against numbers in one sentence and then try and use them to justify yourself in the next one. Either stats matter or they don't. You can't use them just when you want to and ignore them otherwise.

Yes Williams was selected to the Pro Bowl. He chose not to go.

[KillerKat]

Difference is that not all players get tendered for the same reason. Johnson was tendered by us and we definitely intend on keeping him. Other guys like Marshall were tendered but we aren't expected to actually sign him, so all tenders are the not the same.

That is the case with Cofield and Mebane. The Giants tendered Cofield and intend to resign him, Mebane by all accounts won't be. But since it didn't cost them anything, they did it anyway.

The Giants don't intend to sign him. Cofield has said he doesn't want to play under a 1 year tender again for the Giants and will demand a trade if he can't get signed long term. They also just drafted Marvin Austin.

[MaineManPanther]

No he wouldn't be an upgrade over Landrin and the bottom line is that I pulled Landri's numbers out of the hat because he had better numbers than Mebane not because he was that great. Even if he was an upgrade over Landri that doesn't say much and doesn't justify paying much of anything for him. Still I am not convinced he is an upgrade at all.

Based on what? Because of some stats in a season he was injured and missed games? If you watch him play, talk to fans, look at reputable sites, they are at a consensus that Mebane is defitnley a good player.

How is cofield a good player and mebane isnt?

2008-2010

Cofield:

132 -tackles

8-sacks

47 -games played

Mebane:

119-tackels

8-sacks

43-games played

And if you average the games missed Mebane's tackles would then go to 130.

Of course these are crude stats that don't nearly show the whole picture in judging DTs. But they are the way you chose to compare.

[KillerKat]

Also, how many teams ran up the middle because they knew they were able to? Against the Vikings, not many teams would. Its another reason why Landri had as many tackles as he did. Vikings were top 10 in rushing defense while we were top 25.

[SorthNarolina]

Based on what? Because of some stats in a season he was injured and missed games? If you watch him play, talk to fans, look at reputable sites, they are at a consensus that Mebane is defitnley a good player.

How is cofield a good player and mebane isnt?

2008-2010

Cofield:

132 -tackles

8-sacks

47 -games played

Mebane:

119-tackels

8-sacks

43-games played

And if you average the games missed Mebane's tackles would then go to 130.

Of course these are crude stats that don't nearly show the whole picture in judging DTs. But they are the way you chose to compare.

what's pretty funny is football outsiders has coefield/mebane as the most similar players over 2008 to 2010

[panthers55]

The Giants don't intend to sign him. Cofield has said he doesn't want to play under a 1 year tender again for the Giants and will demand a trade if he can't get signed long term. They also just drafted Marvin Austin.

It is obvious they are moving forward with DTs given that Cofield isn't a guarantee at this point. I am sure they are willing to sign him but the disagreement appears to be price. It is possible they trade him but it still doesn't mean they don't want him just not at any price.

[panthers55]

Based on what? Because of some stats in a season he was injured and missed games? If you watch him play, talk to fans, look at reputable sites, they are at a consensus that Mebane is defitnley a good player.

How is cofield a good player and mebane isnt?

2008-2010

Cofield:

132 -tackles

8-sacks

47 -games played

Mebane:

119-tackels

8-sacks

43-games played

And if you average the games missed Mebane's tackles would then go to 130.

Of course these are crude stats that don't nearly show the whole picture in judging DTs. But they are the way you chose to compare.

First of all Mebane had 1 sack in 2010 and 1.5 sacks in 2009. So in the last 2 years he had a total of 2.5 sacks, less than the total numbers of sacks Cofield had in 2010 alone which was 4. Mebane has been a nonfactor for 2 years while Cofield actually had career highs in sacks and tackles in 2010. Cofield had 4 sacks and 54 tackles versus Mebane who had 1 sack and 31 tackles which is a low for him.

As for extrapolating stats because he only played 12 games, you can't do that statisitcally. What it does question is whether Mebane is injury prone. He has only started all 16 games in one of his four years in the league.

Cofield on the other hand has only missed 2 games in his five years in the league.

If we look at the numbers under the surface, it is clear that they are not going in the same direction nor are they comparable based on recent performance.

[panthers55]

what's pretty funny is football outsiders has coefield/mebane as the most similar players over 2008 to 2010

Cofield had a career high in sacks and tackles in 2010 and Mebane has done little to nothing in the past 2 years.

Comparing stats over 3 years when they are not similar is like reporting Charles Johnson's numbers over the past 4 years- saying he had 21 sacks and 114 tackles (5 sacks) and (28 tackles). While true it ignores that Johnson got 11.5 sacks and 62 of those tackles in 2010 alone.

Similarly Mebane got most of his sacks in 2008 and 2007 while Cofield got a career high of 4 sacks in 2010, they are going in opposite directions.

[panthers55]

Also, how many teams ran up the middle because they knew they were able to? Against the Vikings, not many teams would. Its another reason why Landri had as many tackles as he did. Vikings were top 10 in rushing defense while we were top 25.

On football outsiders our adjusted defensive line rank was 10th at 3.77 yards while Minnesota was ranked 6th at 3.64. The difference was 1/10 of a yards per carry. Over 25 carries a game it would translate to 2.5 yards a game.

As for up the middle, the Panthers were ranked 12 at 3.84 while Minnesota was ranked 13th at 3.86. The difference between our run defenses was a function of the ends and outside runs, not yards up the middle.

And again you compare players based on how many plays they were in the game not how long the defenses were on the field.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl

So the facts surely would suggest your argument is off-base. And points out our DT play was better than you suggest.

[panthers55]

without considering anything else but the numbers James Anderson is better than Jon Beason. You need to let people know because apparently there is this wild rumor that Beason is the best linebacker on the team.

If you look at 2010 alone you could make that argument. If you look at the last 2 years Beason is much more productive. If you were comparing outside linebackers the argument could be made that Anderson is better. As for middle linebackers, Beason is the most productive by far.

Beason gets the love because he is a very good middle linebacker and the face of the defense. But Anderson had a terrific year in 2010.

[MaineManPanther]

First of all Mebane had 1 sack in 2010 and 1.5 sacks in 2009. So in the last 2 years he had a total of 2.5 sacks, less than the total numbers of sacks Cofield had in 2010 alone which was 4. Mebane has been a nonfactor for 2 years while Cofield actually had career highs in sacks and tackles in 2010. Cofield had 4 sacks and 54 tackles versus Mebane who had 1 sack and 31 tackles which is a low for him.

As for extrapolating stats because he only played 12 games, you can't do that statisitcally. What it does question is whether Mebane is injury prone. He has only started all 16 games in one of his four years in the league.

Cofield on the other hand has only missed 2 games in his five years in the league.

If we look at the numbers under the surface, it is clear that they are not going in the same direction nor are they comparable based on recent performance.

2008-Mebane had a better season.

2009-Mebane had a better season

2010-Mebane injured misses four games, Cofeild had better season.

Mebane was on the same direction Coefeild was till he missed four games in 2010. One season with an injury does not equate to going in the wrong direction.

On injuries-

2007-Didn't start for half the season because of rookie. Not because of injury.

2008-Played all games.

2009-Missed one game.

2010-Missed four. Came back and played the rest of the season.

Hardly a big basis for injury prone.

Not sure how 2009 he was a nonfactor. Had 49 tackles and 1.5 sacks, unless your basing the fact that a DT was a nonfactor based soley on the number of sacks he had. Which is ill advised.