I think the michael vick situation was what change Richardsons mind

[mav1234]

Well, I dunno about model citizen, but he did recently speak up against animal cruelty in some android app when he could have just stayed silent. I gave him props for it because frankly I think it's good that he is warning that it makes light of a very serious issue.

[rayzor]

He was the highest rated player on our board, that makes him the right pick.

I am not sure if Mallett will do better than Newton or not, but I would rather have spent a 3rd on a not sure than the no.1 overall pick. But to each their own.

i don't thionk they really investigated clausen or even talked with him. QB was the biggest need and without spending a lot of resources looking into him, he seemed like the best option.

newton has a lot more chance to succeed in the league than mallett because he's a better QB and a better player overall. i'd rather not waste picks on a 3rd round QB, esp. with the rate of failure of those QBs have in the league. they needed to get serious about the position and that is exactly what they did. you don't seriously address an area of great need by spending it on a 3rd and hoping that this one is the guy that makes it.

QBs drafted after the first round, with rare exceptions, don't do much of anything except play backup. there is nothing exceptional about mallett and he definitely wasn't worth a first round pick. apparently wasn't worth a 2nd either.

teams that are serious about fixing their QB situation pick them in the first round. beyond that its all luck.

[rayzor]

I gave no indication of assumption at all. I was merely pointing out your same point in reverse. Why are we calling him a model citizen? Would you call the unibomber a model citizen because he hasn't blown up anyone in a while? Are we all striving to be like Mike? Did Jesus say he was coming back as an NFL QB :confused:

if the unibomber was speaking out against terrorism and was keeping out of trouble, then yes...he'd be a model citizen. he'd be someone who realized mistakes he made, paid his dues, and was working to be a better person and citizen. unless you are living in a society where no one makes mistakes...how much better of an example could you be? everyone screws up. not everyone tries to make things right and improve who they are.

if i''ve screwed up and am at a crossroads between continuing to screw up or get things right...i could very well look at vick as a role model for how to redeem yourself and your reputation, despite all the naysayers who believe that people can't change..or that people can change, just not certain people because we don't like them or can't get over what they did in the past even though it is that person's past and not present.

[thefuzz]

i don't thionk they really investigated clausen or even talked with him. QB was the biggest need and without spending a lot of resources looking into him, he seemed like the best option.

newton has a lot more chance to succeed in the league than mallett because he's a better QB and a better player overall. i'd rather not waste picks on a 3rd round QB, esp. with the rate of failure of those QBs have in the league. they needed to get serious about the position and that is exactly what they did. you don't seriously address an area of great need by spending it on a 3rd and hoping that this one is the guy that makes it.

QBs drafted after the first round, with rare exceptions, don't do much of anything except play backup. there is nothing exceptional about mallett and he definitely wasn't worth a first round pick. apparently wasn't worth a 2nd either.

teams that are serious about fixing their QB situation pick them in the first round. beyond that its all luck.

I agree with this notion. I don't agree that Cam was worth the no.1 overall pick, and for that matter probably was not worth anything more than a late 2 early 2. Now again, these are just my opinions, but a QB that has less than 300 D1 passes should not have a first round grade.

As for Clausen, he was probably rated as the best available player when we chose him on almost every NFL board.

As for teams that pick a QB in the first and them being serious about solving that problem.....well that's what causes QB's to be over drafted...just like this year.

[HSCBandit07]

if the unibomber was speaking out against terrorism and was keeping out of trouble, then yes...he'd be a model citizen. he'd be someone who realized mistakes he made, paid his dues, and was working to be a better person and citizen. unless you are living in a society where no one makes mistakes...how much better of an example could you be? everyone screws up. not everyone tries to make things right and improve who they are.

if i''ve screwed up and am at a crossroads between continuing to screw up or get things right...i could very well look at vick as a role model for how to redeem yourself and your reputation, despite all the naysayers who believe that people can't change..or that people can change, just not certain people because we don't like them or can't get over what they did in the past even though it is that person's past and not present.

That sounds great. Let's use "model redeemer" instead shall we

hmm.. on second thought that doesn't sit well with me either:frown2:

[Lords0fPain]

Can't turn into Ryan Leaf, he was taken in the 3rd.

Leaf would have probably been fine had he been able to sit for a while behind a HOF QB, and learned how to be a Pro, like Mallett will get to.

But.....we don't have a HoF QB for Mallett to sit behind...:eek: His attitude scares much more than anything Cam done...I could even get over him doing coke...but the attitude about talking about...a no go for me.

[rayzor]

That sounds great. Let's use "model redeemer" instead shall we

hmm.. on second thought that doesn't sit well with me either:frown2:

don't care what you call it. doesn't make it any less true. he paid his debt and until he proves otherwise he's overcome his past mistakes and become a good citizen and a good person. he's got tony dungy vouching for him and thats good enough for me. people need examples like that and they need people like dungy who believe that mistakes you made in the past don't define you. what you do after those mistakes is what defines you.

[rayzor]

But.....we don't have a HoF QB for Mallett to have sat behind...:eek: His attitude scares much more than anything Cam done...I could even get over him doing coke...but the attitude about talking about...a no go for me.

true. the situation is everything. the situation made that HoF QB. he wouldn't have had near that success in another system and situation.

best chance mallett has to not be a career backup is to sit there, learn, keep his nose clean (literally), and wait.

success will come to newton a lot quicker.

[TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam]

Before Vick had the season he did in Philly, he couldn't even hold Jake Delhomme's jock. I feel no regret at all from not signing him.

LOL keep telling yourself that.

Vick has more big play ability in his left ass cheek than Delhomme has ever had on the finest of days in his life.

[bleys]

I'm not mad about it at all..

I don't see Vick lasting many more years. He said himself he felt like absolute poo at the end of the year, it is a fact he will not be able to continue taking those shots and keep playing.

There was no reason to assume Vick would have turned out as he did. Hindsight is 20/20 and never more true than this topic.

Absolutely no reason to pretend Vick wasn't a HUUUUGE gamble, both character wise and whether he could still play at an NFL level. He went to a high octane offense and has Andy Reid there to help him become what he has.

And if Cam lives up to his potential, I'll take him over Vick any day.

[jim stone]

Lol. Passing on Vick was a mistake, but the front office has bounced back from that blunder

You have got to be joking. I guess you think he would have not embarrassed the good people on NC with his dog cruelty incident. I am thinking JR would fired he sorry ass after the marijuana water bottle thing. Vick is a fukin looser with a bug L, regardless of what he done on the gridiron. He will fukup again.

:hurray: :cam:

[Lumps]

First of all

Newton>Vick

I think Newton will be much better than Vick ever was.

But I disagree, I don't think the Vick situation is what changed JRs mind, I doubt he is regretting anything and I doubt he would ever let a piece of poo like Vick play for the Panthers. I don't believe winning games and good deeds that are swollen up by the media mean a person has redeemed themselves. No one will ever know if he is truly changed except him so I say just stay away all together.

There is a huge line between cheating on tests and stealing a laptop and sadistically (for pleasure) torturing animals whether he has changed or not. But really who the fug cares? Vick is history and I am a million times happier with a classier franchise QB like Newton instead of sitting with an old ass POS.

NEWTON SWAG>>>>>>>>VICK SWAG

[KatOMine]

I agree with this notion. I don't agree that Cam was worth the no.1 overall pick, and for that matter probably was not worth anything more than a late 2 early 2. Now again, these are just my opinions, but a QB that has less than 300 D1 passes should not have a first round grade.

As for Clausen, he was probably rated as the best available player when we chose him on almost every NFL board.

As for teams that pick a QB in the first and them being serious about solving that problem.....well that's what causes QB's to be over drafted...just like this year.

You are 110% right IMO!

[pantherclaw]

Lol