Cam Wants #2 Jersey From Clausen

[OchoNueve]

Hopefully Clausen will only see the field in 4 meaningless practice games better known as the preseason.

[chef17]

if he's STILL on the roster after playing well than you have the QB controversy, i think it's risky to have QB controversys and no one will trade for him when they KNOW he will be free to have in 2 years. look at Brees, no team traded for him. the point i am trying to make is why keep Clausen??? everyone wanted him gone last year, a team may want him as their future now and may be stupid enough to offer a 5th round pick. Seattle would likely take him on, doubt Washington would due to the fact they like big armed QBs.

A team desperate for a QB will sit and wait 2 years for a QB to become a free agent where he can choose where to go instead of trying to trade for him? Yeah I think a team in need of a QB would at least try and trade for him instead of hoping he decides to go there after 2 years.

As to why keep Clausen: he could become a solid backup, he could be insurance in case Cam doesn't work, or he could be used in a future trade.

What is so risky about having 2 good QBs? One walks away when his contract is up? You still have a good Qb AND you were still able to win games while your starter was injured because of your backup.

This is my problem with your argument. You are worried that Clausen could play well if Newton got injured. So based on that, it sounds like you want a backup who sucks. That makes no sense.

[TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam]

What a moonbat.

If Jimmy performs well he will either be used as trade bait or retained as our back-up QB. Cam Newton is the man in Carolina regardless of what Jimmy does, there is nothing he can do to create controversy.

I disagree.

If Clausen comes out and plays well, it's trouble all around. It cannot end fully good. This happened in Cleveland in 2007 with Derek Anderson. He came out and did a houdini act in 2007, earned a large 3-year deal and kept Brady Quinn nailed to the bench and Quinn ended up starting 10 games for the browns, didn't have a body of work to really judge who was better and it ended up being the worst thing that ever happened to the New browns.

If Clausen goes out and plays well, it keeps Cam on the bench, stunts his development, and then puts some doubts in the fan base as to who should be the guy. Too large an investment in Newton to let anything like that get in the way. It's a business too and Clausen must be gone by year's end and I hope he doesn't see the field this year. Give up the # too

[chef17]

I disagree.

If Clausen comes out and plays well, it's trouble all around. It cannot end fully good. This happened in Cleveland in 2007 with Derek Anderson. He came out and did a houdini act in 2007, earned a large 3-year deal and kept Brady Quinn nailed to the bench and Quinn ended up starting 10 games for the browns, didn't have a body of work to really judge who was better and it ended up being the worst thing that ever happened to the New browns.

If Clausen goes out and plays well, it keeps Cam on the bench, stunts his development, and then puts some doubts in the fan base as to who should be the guy. Too large an investment in Newton to let anything like that get in the way. It's a business too and Clausen must be gone by year's end and I hope he doesn't see the field this year. Give up the # too

Quinn was picked 22nd. There is a huge difference in investment between him and Cam. Cam will get a change to showcase what he can do at some point.

Also, Quinn missed part of training camp in 2007 due to a holdout, Quinn became the starter in mid 2008 but got injured, and in 2009 Quinn was the starter but got benched in week 3, became starter again in week 10 but was placed on injured reserve for the last two games. I would say the holdout, injuries, and getting benched played a much bigger role than the year Anderson had in 2007.

[MWCarolina]

A team desperate for a QB will sit and wait 2 years for a QB to become a free agent where he can choose where to go instead of trying to trade for him? Yeah I think a team in need of a QB would at least try and trade for him instead of hoping he decides to go there after 2 years.

What is so risky about having 2 good QBs? One walks away when his contract is up? You still have a good Qb AND you were still able to win games while your starter was injured because of your backup.

you lose one of those QBs for free, if you trade him now for whatever value he has and you get something. and yes, teams will wait. Brees didnt get traded, Anderson didnt get traded, i say there's no point in keeping Jimmy around, let him go somewhere where he HAS a future, he has NO future in Carolina no matter what Hurney says, trade him for whatever pick you can get to Seattle or a team that wants Clausen.

I disagree.

If Clausen goes out and plays well, it keeps Cam on the bench, stunts his development, and then puts some doubts in the fan base as to who should be the guy. Too large an investment in Newton to let anything like that get in the way. It's a business too and Clausen must be gone by year's end and I hope he doesn't see the field this year. Give up the # too

true and i agree with all you wrote, except the give up the number, he shouldnt just give it up, he should get some money for it. Portis wasnt given his number when he was a Redskin, he had to pay for it too. Newton should pay for it and then Clausen can give the money to a charity.

[CRA]

I disagree.

If Clausen comes out and plays well, it's trouble all around. It cannot end fully good. This happened in Cleveland in 2007 with Derek Anderson. He came out and did a houdini act in 2007, earned a large 3-year deal and kept Brady Quinn nailed to the bench and Quinn ended up starting 10 games for the browns, didn't have a body of work to really judge who was better and it ended up being the worst thing that ever happened to the New browns.

If Clausen goes out and plays well, it keeps Cam on the bench, stunts his development, and then puts some doubts in the fan base as to who should be the guy. Too large an investment in Newton to let anything like that get in the way. It's a business too and Clausen must be gone by year's end and I hope he doesn't see the field this year. Give up the # too

Clausen won't have a chance to come out and play well.....by the time the season starts he will be #3 on the depth chart.

[Urrymonster]

you lose one of those QBs for free, if you trade him now for whatever value he has and you get something. and yes, teams will wait. Brees didnt get traded, Anderson didnt get traded, i say there's no point in keeping Jimmy around, let him go somewhere where he HAS a future, he has NO future in Carolina no matter what Hurney says, trade him for whatever pick you can get to Seattle or a team that wants Clausen.

true and i agree with all you wrote, except the give up the number, he shouldnt just give it up, he should get some money for it. Portis wasnt given his number when he was a Redskin, he had to pay for it too. Newton should pay for it and then Clausen can give the money to a charity.

No team waits 2 years for a specific QB. That kind of thinking will get you fired in a "what have you done for me recently?" league.

This is perhaps one of the dumbest ideas I have actually read on here.

Explain to me why any HC or GM, would risk their job because they know they can get into a bidding war for a possible starter at QB in two years time, when they can trade for him straight away. What are they going to do during those two years? Just sign crap QBs to fill the time? Afterall, following your logic they wouldn't want a starter material in case of a QB controversy when they attempt to sign Clausen. :rolleyes:

In fact, following that logic, Rivera and Hurney would have passed on Newton and opted to wait for Luck to declare next year.

[Urrymonster]

I disagree.

If Clausen comes out and plays well, it's trouble all around. It cannot end fully good. This happened in Cleveland in 2007 with Derek Anderson. He came out and did a houdini act in 2007, earned a large 3-year deal and kept Brady Quinn nailed to the bench and Quinn ended up starting 10 games for the browns, didn't have a body of work to really judge who was better and it ended up being the worst thing that ever happened to the New browns.

If Clausen goes out and plays well, it keeps Cam on the bench, stunts his development, and then puts some doubts in the fan base as to who should be the guy. Too large an investment in Newton to let anything like that get in the way. It's a business too and Clausen must be gone by year's end and I hope he doesn't see the field this year. Give up the # too

I agree the Browns situation was bad. Unfortunately it was the FO's mistakes that turned it into a bad situation. Firstly, why on Earth did they give Anderson the extension when they had him on a tender AND had big trade offers for him. The moment they inked Quinn, Anderson should have been gone and a veteran place holder should have held the fort until Quinn was ready.

This was then compounded by Mangini essentially declaring an open QB competition and then not actually being able to make the decision on who was better. Yes, both sucked, but he needed to but his belief behind one or the other and give them that opportunity to be a leader. As it was he had them both constantly doubting they were in fact the starter.

Fast forward to our situation and we really don't have a comparable situation. Cam is our future, for better or worse. No #1 pick can stay off the field for too long due to the financial implications. The fact that the Browns extended Anderson AND drafted Quinn made it unclear on who they saw was the future. Secondly, Clausen is a 2nd round draft pick, and history has shown that countless of them develop into career backups that people get hard-ons for after limited exposure as the QB position is so hard to draft. Finally, there is a HUGE possibility that Cam simply doesn't adjust well to the NFL and takes over a season to adjust. Would you prefer Cam to be thrown in when he isn't ready and has his confidence knocked all season long (ala Clausen/Smith/Carr) and potentially affects his playing style? Or would you let someone serviceable play (if Clausen can prove he can do that), giving Cam time to adjust and digest the playbook?

There is no proof that sitting or starting from day 1 does anything for your learning the NFL game when playing the QB position. That suggests it's really down to the individual. Considering how many things Cam has to adjust to, I can't see how anyone wants him to start day 1. Unless they want him to play like a college player...

[chef17]

you lose one of those QBs for free, if you trade him now for whatever value he has and you get something. and yes, teams will wait. Brees didnt get traded, Anderson didnt get traded, i say there's no point in keeping Jimmy around, let him go somewhere where he HAS a future, he has NO future in Carolina no matter what Hurney says, trade him for whatever pick you can get to Seattle or a team that wants Clausen.

First off Brees left due to injury, so he isn't a good example.

Second, every team passed on Clausen once, some twice, and you suddenly expect them to want him after a horrible season? I doubt that.

Third, you really think teams are gonna wait 2 years for a chance to get a QB instead of getting a trade that guarantees you get him now? What coach is gonna keep a job if he just accepts losing for 2 years while waiting on a backup?

And again, I already explained to you the point in keeping Clausen. What if Cam doesn't work out? What if Jimmy just develops into a career backup that can play decent for a couple games but isn't starter material? Even if Cam becomes a HOF QB, Jimmy could remain here as his backup. So your "Jimmy has no future here" has no proof to back it up.

[MWCarolina]

First off Brees left due to injury, so he isn't a good example. Second, every team passed on Clausen once, some twice, and you suddenly expect them to want him after a horrible season? I doubt that.

For a 6th round pick (which is like nothing) yes. Seattle will likely gamble on him due to the fact that Carroll likes him, plus Clausen's old buddy Golden Tate is there and Brees is a good example, he didnt leave due to injury (though it helped make the Chargers decision easier), the Chargers had a choice and chose Rivers. the injury just made it easier.

Clausen won't have a chance to come out and play well.....by the time the season starts he will be #3 on the depth chart.

Another reason to trade him, why keep him on as a high priced 3rd QB behind Newton and a vet??? it's a waste of money, just trade him for nothing, there wont be any value, even if he does play well because people know that Cam is their future.

[mav1234]

For a 6th round pick (which is like nothing) yes. Seattle will likely gamble on him due to the fact that Carroll likes him, plus Clausen's old buddy Golden Tate is there and Brees is a good example, he didnt leave due to injury (though it helped make the Chargers decision easier), the Chargers had a choice and chose Rivers. the injury just made it easier

it many ways, it was Brees who made the choice as well. The Chargers offered him a lucrative contract - if he performed well, that is. The base salary was not equivalent to one of the very top QBs in the league, though with incentives it was pretty nice. Brees decided to go elsewhere because he felt that the contract was a vote of no confidence in him, in part. Boltergeist may be able to straighten this out but that is what I have read recently.

His injury is likely a major reason the Chargers didn't offer him guaranteed money. You don't usually let a guy in his prime who is tearing up the league go very easily.

[YoungPanthers89]

Cam needs to call this #

[MWCarolina]

it many ways, it was Brees who made the choice as well. The Chargers offered him a lucrative contract - if he performed well, that is. The base salary was not equivalent to one of the very top QBs in the league, though with incentives it was pretty nice. Brees decided to go elsewhere because he felt that the contract was a vote of no confidence in him, in part. Boltergeist may be able to straighten this out but that is what I have read recently. His injury is likely a major reason the Chargers didn't offer him guaranteed money. You don't usually let a guy in his prime who is tearing up the league go very easily.

but still the Chargers could've found a way to keep him, but lost him for free. Everyone assumes that when you have two good young QBs that you can trade him fairly easily, but it doesnt happen as often. the injury worry cost Miami alot too.

[CarolinaKat]

I'm not even sure I want Newton to have Clausen's failure infested #

I'm thinking 5 or 15