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The Stay Is Back On

CarolinaNut

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rayzor Grand Master

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I side with the players only because the owners decided to void the current CBA... they agreed to a deal in '06 they later decided they didn't like and now we're all being punished for it.
i'm not a union guy, but the owners are the reason the NFL is in this mess.
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blackcatgrowl Newbie

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If true, damn what a clusterf*ck this is becoming...

Yep. And once this level of court hears the case, it will get appealed again. I believe a case of this nature has to go through 3 levels of courts until it makes it to the Supreme Court (It might be more). This could go back and forth and drag on FOR A VERY LONG TIME. Years in fact (probably won't take that long, but it COULD).

This is exactly why the NFLPA* and players did NOT need to take this to the courtroom, and SHOULD HAVE settled this in Washington at the negotiation table.

And what the players are failing to understand, is that this tactic is going to cost them. The longer it goes on in court, the more the owners are winning.

Hell, even if they win in court, they will still lose, because all the NFL has to do is reorganize as a new league in a state with "At will" employment, with specific rules of contract liability, then give a finger to the union and all this horse poo while they pay their players much less than they are saying they want to take back now.

DeMaurice Smith needs to get lost in a dark alley and never be seen from again.

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i'm not a union guy, but the owners are the reason the NFL is in this mess.

You dont think this would have happened when the CBA expired? The the owners are not in control of there own company and the Law allows the union to dictate what it wants, then it was bound to happen either way.

Why does anyone think the union is going to be happy with just making 50% next time. They are going to expect Insurance and 50%. So what do you think is going to happen when that is suggested?

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Yep. And once this level of court hears the case, it will get appealed again. I believe a case of this nature has to go through 3 levels of courts until it makes it to the Supreme Court (It might be more). This could go back and forth and drag on FOR A VERY LONG TIME. Years in fact (probably won't take that long, but it COULD).

This is exactly why the NFLPA* and players did NOT need to take this to the courtroom, and SHOULD HAVE settled this in Washington at the negotiation table.

And what the players are failing to understand, is that this tactic is going to cost them. The longer it goes on in court, the more the owners are winning.

Hell, even if they win in court, they will still lose, because all the NFL has to do is reorganize as a new league in a state with "At will" employment, with specific rules of contract liability, then give a finger to the union and all this horse poo while they pay their players much less than they are saying they want to take back now.

DeMaurice Smith needs to get lost in a dark alley and never be seen from again.

Not exactly. If the labor board rules the union cant decertify then they will be forced back to the table. The trick the owners are trying to pull is tell the Fed gov that dont have authority to rule over this matter.

If they can issue a stay long enough the the Labor board to rule then they will have won. Its just getting the stay.

Point blank if the Fed gets involved the owners lose because they are def in the realm of anti-trust.

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Not exactly. If the labor board rules the union cant decertify then they will be forced back to the table. The trick the owners are trying to pull is tell the Fed gov that dont have authority to rule over this matter.

If they can issue a stay long enough the the Labor board to rule then they will have won. Its just getting the stay.

Point blank if the Fed gets involved the owners lose because they are def in the realm of anti-trust.

I'd say the owners have a legit complaint to the labor board. It's not really a "trick" to correctly state that just because the NFLPA "isn't a union" anymore, they should continue to treated like one... because their actions and involvement is that of a union.

But yeah, I had forgotten about the labor board complaint.... mostly because the labor board will side with the players and allow the anti-trust court proceedings to continue. They are always anti-business owner. So I don't really see it becoming a factor.

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http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42825449/ns/sports-player_news/

The stay is back on. This court will most certainly rule for the NFL I think but the players will make a free market case where they claim they have the right to sell their services which could win them the case but my dime says the 8th circuit will rule for the NFL. Republican dominated court the 8th circuit is or to translate a little better, always sides with business. laugh

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Uh... it's not really under the table brah.

It's called "political campaign contributions". The NFLPA and NFL have already bought and paid for their judicial influence.

The question becomes now... who paid the most money... sorry... I mean... who contributed the most to the campaign of the people who are most influencial.

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http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/42825449/ns/sports-player_news/

The stay is back on. This court will most certainly rule for the NFL I think but the players will make a free market case where they claim they have the right to sell their services which could win them the case but my dime says the 8th circuit will rule for the NFL. Republican dominated court the 8th circuit is or to translate a little better, always sides with business. laugh

This source cites Yahoo, Michael Silver, which has been since retracted. The stay is expected by players but hasn't happened yet.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/29/temporary-stay-expected-espn-retracts-report-that-stay-was-granted/

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