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An interesting quote (Re: the effort question)

Mr. Scot

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From Gantt's Article about "a year of work in 45 minutes" (link)

The quote (in context):

His side made an early run Wednesday, trying to dissuade the Panthers from tagging him by threatening to stifle the market. He said through his agent there were only four teams he'd agree to go to.

They were hoping to make the Panthers blink, or that the Gross talks would hit a late snag. Neither happened.

Hurney said all the right things when he had his turn to talk, even that they'd welcome Peppers back.

It's too late for a reconciliation. Peppers has guaranteed that, by saying more in the last six weeks than the last seven years.

He's not a bad guy because he wants out, wants to play in a new system in a new city for a new challenge.

He's always known he was a special talent, telling his college teammates "Imagine if I worked hard?" after doing whatever amazing thing he had just done. Peppers clearly has the vision of dominating the game in a unique way with his unique talents, and with all that he and his camp have put forth, it's clear that he doesn't think that can happen here.

Dovetail that with this post (link) one in which the poster himself acknowledges that his information and credibility are not necessarily established.

(Appairently Pep still has close ties with his HS coach and respects his opinion) Well with all the recent goings on and the statement released by Carey, the coach once again spoke with him, and basically told him that the system isn't what's holding him back, it's Pep thats holding Pep back, and that he needed to just try harder, to which Pep basically said "I don't want to anymore."

In light of statements like this...

Is it fair for to question the amount of effort Peppers gave on the field as a Panther?

Do these statements confirm or conflict with what you've seen watching Peppers play?

Which type of player would you rather have on your team?

- Highly talented / moderately motivated

- Highly motivated / moderately talented

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Wow if Pep actually said that...just WOW. Since Gantt put it there as something he actually said, and I trust Gantt the most of any of the reporters, I assume he has good info that it really something Pep said.

If that is true, I don't want him in a Panthers' uni at all this year for any reason. Not saying I would just dump him for a bag of chips to avoid it, just that I will have a hard time seeing him on the team.

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Just a thought...

With all the talk coming from Peppers I wonder if the Panthers refused to allow him to try and play two sports. I wonder if he is trying to find a team that will allow him to do just that. I don't see how that would be possible as the NBA season starts during the playoff push in the NFL but maybe he's got some sort of plan in his head of how to do this.

When you listen to his comments they just don't make sence. He wants his talents to be better utilized but it's not the coaches or system in Carolina that he has a problem with? That just doesn't add up unless he thinks he can be a two sport athelete and the Panthers are saying and have been saying no.

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It has been obvious peppers isn't going all out and never has. The kid is a 15-22 sack a year guy if he tries. It is obvious the kid never goes all out and doesn't want to be here. The sooner we trade him and move on, the better.

And in the right system he could get 25.

When we played Cleveland at home a few years ago, Mike Wahle told me that Julius' game that day was the most dominating performance in football he had ever seen from an individual.

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Went back to add another question to the original post.

At the heart of this discussion is which kind of guy you prefer to have on your team?

Do you want players like Randy Moss and Kris Jenkins, guys who are head and shoulders above everyone around them in talent but who don't see the need to go all out to maximize that talent?

Or would you rather have guys like Jerry Rice and Sam Mills, players who may not be blessed with the God-given talent but who have the ethic to outwork everyone around them?

We arguably have such a dichotomy on the team right now in Dwayne Jarrett (tall and talented but not the hardest worker) and Steve Smith (short and decent, but a killer work ethic).

Basically, do you want the Tortoise or the Hare?

I know everyone will be tempted to automatically say the Tortoise, but think about that for a minute. Would you really rather take the field with Gary Gibson over Kris Jenkins? Likewise, how many here would realistically choose a Jake Delhomme over a Carson Palmer?

It's not so cut and dried.

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What I really want is more of a Deangelo Williams: very talented and "thought" he was working hard only to find out from a mentor (Vinny Testaverde) that he had a lot more room for improvement. So he went out and worked harder. Thus great talent + super hard worker = great player.

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Went back to add another question to the original post.

At the heart of this discussion is which kind of guy you prefer to have on your team?

Do you want players like Randy Moss and Kris Jenkins, guys who are head and shoulders above everyone around them in talent but who don't see the need to go all out to maximize that talent?

Or would you rather have guys like Jerry Rice and Sam Mills, players who may not be blessed with the God-given talent but who have the ethic to outwork everyone around them?

We arguably have such a dichotomy on the team right now in Dwayne Jarrett (tall and talented but not the hardest worker) and Steve Smith (short and decent, but a killer work ethic).

Basically, do you want the Tortoise or the Hare?

I know everyone will be tempted to automatically say the Tortoise, but think about that for a minute. Would you really rather take the field with Gary Gibson over Kris Jenkins? Likewise, how many here would realistically choose a Jake Delhomme over a Carson Palmer?

It's not so cut and dried.

No it's not, and it probably turns guys like Hurney gray at an early age. Look at the Titans. They just got an amazing year out of Haynesworth, but they're reluctant to pay him based on that year because they're afraid he won't go all out once he gets the money.

How do you predict effort? You can't.

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