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Round 1 Panthers Select: Cam Newton QB

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Actually, drafting Cam proves a lot of people wrong. This whole debate really started because TRD and others were saying that Cams' media workout would destroy his draft stock, but I and others were saying that it wouldn't hurt him one little bit...and it obviously didn't.

Every Panther fan is a winner today though. It's just that some of them don't know it yet.

I also want to commend fans/posters such as yourself Monstercat. Guys like you, Rayzor, Panther55, Blackcatgrowl, Snake Fist, rico, second city, millionz, Smootsdaddy, nczmonzta, etc need to be celebrated for your vision and courage thru this process. Your open mindedness and inclusiveness has carried our fanbase this offseason. You guys jumped on board early and never wavered. And since they are too proud to say it, ill be a leader say it for them....YOU WERE RIGHT THEY WERE WRONG.

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For the record, drafting him doesn't prove me wrong. It doesn't alleviate any concerns about him. It doesn't make his issues go away. It just means that the Panthers have to deal with those repercussions instead of another team. I hope I'm proven wrong eventually, but this does not do it.

Go Panthers.

Us is not Auburn. Us is the Panthers. There is a lot more to the Panthers than just Cam.

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Wow... even after it's a done deal, you're still refusing to cave.

Lets review what you said real quick TRD:

On January 6th, I created this thread.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/carolina-panthers/53931-justify-why-cam-newton-isnt-worth-1-overall.html

In it, I highlighted some good things about Cam. You eventually replied with this:

I'll give you reasons (which you may or may not agree with) as to why some people won't want to draft him #1 and I won't use that NO analyst in America has him at #1.

1. He is in a one read pass offense, if it's not there, he's told to take off. In the NFL that doesn't work. Vick is so successful this year because running is his last option. Big Ben is successful because he moves around in the pocket and keeps plays alive but doesn't run. That will be a HUGE adjustment for Cam.

2. Accuracy is an issue. I know he has the high completion percentage but stats don't tell the whole story. He completes passes but they aren't all accurate throws, his receivers make a lot of plays for him. Jimmy Clausen had a 68% completion percentage in college and 50% in the NFL because his accuracy isn't very good at all. In college his receivers were better athletes than the defenses and made those 50/50 plays for him.

3. He gets a lot of 1 on 1 coverage due to his running abilities which he won't get in the NFL. Colleges don't have the athletes that NFL teams have. Hashes are wider so one side of the field is bigger than the other and has more room to cover (aka the wide side) making speed an even bigger factor. In the NFL, those hashes are closer making the field pretty balanced. To make up for his athleticism in college, defenses put 8-9 guys in the box and leave corners manned up on the outside. His receivers win those battles. In the NFL, they don't need to stack the box to stop it when linebackers are nearly as fast as him and D ends can contain him and so forth. You can play zone behind that and make him read an actual defense instead of just man coverage most of the time.

4. Running QBs don't have a great history in the NFL. The only one to be successful is Vick and it's ONLY because he's become a better passer after he got humbled by jail. No one else has successfully made that transition and been dominant so it's hard for an owner to make that pick when history suggests that going with a pocket passer is safer.

5. He's only played 1 season of Div1 football. I think that's a major reason why Luck went back to school is because he knows the correlation between starts in college and success in the NFL. Taking a chance on someone who has played 14 games in major college football is something an owner would be scared of, especially at the price it will be.

6. Whether you, I, or whoever thinks they are major or minor, there have been some question marks in this kids past. Stolen laptop, whether he bought or stole it, raises some concerns but less if he just bought it. Cheating on the test shows more to me about his work ethic than anything. They give you countless opportunities in school to succeed with personal tutors, study hall, etc and it shows that he obviously didn't take advantage of it and took the easy way out. Does an owner know that he won't take the easy way out once he cashes a $30-$50mil paycheck? The thing with his dad is whatever. Children have strong ties to their parents and he might not have known, he might have known and not been able to stand up to his dad, or he might have known and wanted cash. It happens more than we know but it's still a concern and something that should be talked about with him once he no longer has to worry about NCAA sanctions.

He's got a lot of physical tools, he's big, strong, fast, athletic but so do a lot of other QBs. What makes them successful is the stuff between their ears, their work ethic, their determination. Those aren't my reasons of not drafting him, those are just some concerns that are legit and should be considered when talking about taking Cam Newton #1 overall.

Just about everything you talked about in that post... was addressed and countered in this:

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/53931-justify-why-cam-newton-isnt-worth-1-overall-30.html#post2893702

Hurney and Rivera did their homework!. They researched the football side. They researched the character side. They evaluated Newton to a level that no other player has ever been evaluated by this team... and possibly in other teams too.

And here's what they said... a close mirror of my reply to you:

http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Rivera-Hurney-on-Cam-Newton/86c75ead-919d-4dbe-9092-b767fc5af79c

And yet... you still say "I might be right!"

No. Dude. You were wrong.

Now... didn't you say you'll be going to another forum or something? If not, at the least you really should dole out some apologies. At the most, stop posting about football.

Quick edit - FYI TRD - I was going to let this ride.... but when someone who has been so negative about bringing in Cam says "DERP! I might be right still! DERP!", about a guy we just invested our future into, you need your comments put in the correct context, and you forced my hand.

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I also want to commend fans/posters such as yourself Monstercat. Guys like you, Rayzor, Panther55, Blackcatgrowl, Snake Fist, rico, second city, millionz, Smootsdaddy, nczmonzta, etc need to be celebrated for your vision and courage thru this process. Your open mindedness and inclusiveness has carried our fanbase this offseason. You guys jumped on board early and never wavered. And since they are too proud to say it, ill be a leader say it for them....YOU WERE RIGHT THEY WERE WRONG.

I was on the wagon before all of them! lol it was either him or luck and i didn't care which..

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I also want to commend fans/posters such as yourself Monstercat. Guys like you, Rayzor, Panther55, Blackcatgrowl, Snake Fist, rico, second city, millionz, Smootsdaddy, nczmonzta, etc need to be celebrated for your vision and courage thru this process. Your open mindedness and inclusiveness has carried our fanbase this offseason. You guys jumped on board early and never wavered. And since they are too proud to say it, ill be a leader say it for them....YOU WERE RIGHT THEY WERE WRONG.

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I also want to commend fans/posters such as yourself Monstercat. Guys like you, Rayzor, Panther55, Blackcatgrowl, Snake Fist, rico, second city, millionz, Smootsdaddy, nczmonzta, etc need to be celebrated for your vision and courage thru this process. Your open mindedness and inclusiveness has carried our fanbase this offseason. You guys jumped on board early and never wavered. And since they are too proud to say it, ill be a leader say it for them....YOU WERE RIGHT THEY WERE WRONG.

I guess you were wrong calling the Panthers fans as a whole unable to accept a black man as face of the franchise.

You appear to have been wrong about Jerry and caring more about being perceived as wholesome rather than winning, even though drafting Cam could ultimately lead to the contrary.

Lastly, him being drafted means nothing. You can thump your chest we drafted the man, but until he does something on the field, the more you talk, the more you dig yourself a hole if for some reason he doesn't live up to potential.

Congrats buddy!!!! At least we didnt have to take your first man love of last year Pyor. Now GO PERFORM CAM!!!

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Wow... even after it's a done deal, you're still refusing to cave.

No. Dude. You were wrong.

Now... didn't you say you'll be going to another forum or something? If not, at the least you really should dole out some apologies. At the most, stop posting about football.

I never said I would leave this forum I just wouldn't post as much because idiots like you that don't understand the difference between concern and hate.

I think you meant to say "At the least, stop posting about football." but that's just my assumption.

Back to the post. I clearly stated in that post that:

Those aren't my reasons of not drafting him, those are just some concerns that are legit and should be considered when talking about taking Cam Newton #1 overall.

Seems like a reasonable statement right? Me just talking about the other side of the coin about Cam. Now on to what was said and what was "proved wrong"

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Quick edit - FYI TRD - I was going to let this ride.... but when someone who has been so negative about bringing in Cam says "DERP! I might be right still! DERP!", about a guy we just invested our future into, you need your comments put in the correct context, and you forced my hand.

I think you mean slide, you were going to let it slide.

The sad part is you still have grasp of reality, no common sense.

Again, just because we decided to give him a poo ton of money doesn't mean he is all of the sudden accurate, or good in the pocket, or able to read a zone defense, it just means that the Panthers are desperate enough to take that risk.

Like the analysts said after the pick, we had no choice. Our hand was forced and Hurney folded. Now all we can do is hope we get lucky.

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