Sal Paolantonio says you can't be a phony infront of Rivera

[Davidson Deac II]

Why is it that players don't make it in the NFl?? Probably lots of reasons for sure but I think it distills down to three broad areas. One is opportunity, the second is desire, and the third is capable coaches who can get the best of each player. Of the three, the second and third seem most important. We know Newton has the desire, everyone can see that. The third is the biggest issue. Will Shula and Chud put him into a system for success, or put in a system and make him run it whether it is in his skill set or not? Look at Clausen. Last year we put in a system and told him to run it. It wasn't matched to his skill set and didn't help him through the bumpy areas. And he failed miserably. Young showed a lot of promise but in the end struggled because, IMO, he wasn't mentored and worked with being that Fisher is an old school guy. Some systems in the NFl are desired for quarterback success, others aren't. Frankly I never thought Fox's was very quarterback friendly. I don't have a clue about Chud's and Shula's at this point. But I do believe that Newton's success or failure will hinge as much or more on the coaches then it will on Newton's football IQ.

I would add one other key. The ability to make quick decisions and throw the ball quickly and accurately with incredibly fast dlineman and linebackers coming at you from all directions. Thats what seperates the great QB's from the benchwarmers, and its something college football never prepares them for. Its something that can only be determined once they take the field.

[Udogg]

Since I didn't say that, I am not sure what you mean. Its unlikely that they would have been in the championship game without him. Its also unlikely they would have been in the championship game without a good defense and offensive line. And going back, its unlikely that Texas and USC would have been in the BCS game without Young and Leinart. But that hasn't meant much on the NFL level.

It seemed to me like you were trying to minimize his contributions to the team. Yes Auburn had to have a good team to win, but Auburn D gave up 24 points per game. Compared to other teams that were in the hunt for a national title that was pedestrian. Also using other people on teams who were successful in college and not the pros has no bearing on 2010 Cam Newton. Just as finding people who were on bad teams that did well in the NFL. He will be either a flop or success based on himself and the coaching staff.

[Dpantherman]

All we have is a perception. Hurney, Rivera, etc have looked him in the eyes, and talked to him. I believe they have a better grasp of his character than anyone on this board.

[Davidson Deac II]

It seemed to me like you were trying to minimize his contributions to the team. Yes Auburn had to have a good team to win, but Auburn D gave up 24 points per game. Compared to other teams that were in the hunt for a national title that was pedestrian. Also using other people on teams who were successful in college and not the pros has no bearing on 2010 Cam Newton. Just as finding people who were on bad teams that did well in the NFL. He will be either a flop or success based on himself and the coaching staff.

I wasn't trying to minimize. I just believe that to many fans confuse team success with individual success. And I agree with your last statement. His success or failure will be determined by his ability. Nothing he did in college will matter in the pro's.

[Sword]

it's pretty hard not to have stolen something in today's internet age(i'm looking at you warez folks lol)..and even I used an internet site for a book report in high school..and I am considered a good guy. really to me his past is a none issue since his punishment was basically having to go to Texas in College Football purgatory..even if he still managed to get a title out there.

[CatMan72]

Anyhow, back to the OP of this thread... I don't think Rivera is easily charmed by a phony personality, gives me comfort to know that Rivera feels all his questions about Cam have been answered and he has no further concerns.

[rico6]

Cam and his fake smile should go to hell.

[Mr. Scot]

So winning two national championships and the Heisman doesn't demonstrate that Cam is willing to do what it takes to be great???

As far as whether or not he can succeed in the NFL, it doesn't really tell you anything (look at the history).

Is he willing to work hard? From everything I've seen, yes. The Golden Calf of Bristol's willing to work hard too. Does that guarantee he'll succeed?

I'm not seeing it. If he's our pick though, I'll hope to be wrong.

Let me put it another way. If Cam Newton wasn't on Auburn they likely go 9-4 or 8-5.

And if Chris Weinke wasn't at Florida State they don't win it all either.

Did it help him succeed in the pros?

In other words, your accomplishments are the best evidence of your desire to be great.

Desire to be great's a good thing, but people overestimate the "want" factor.

Lots of guys want it bad but ultimately just don't have what it takes.

Sorry, but you guys aren't proving anything here.

[Sword]

As far as whether or not he can succeed in the NFL, it doesn't really tell you anything (look at the history).

look at history? only 3 or 4 player in history could even do what he did..

[CatMan72]

look at history? only 3 or 4 player in history could even do what he did..

Bill Parcells agrees.

[CatMan72]

As far as whether or not he can succeed in the NFL, it doesn't really tell you anything (look at the history).

Is he willing to work hard? From everything I've seen, yes. The Golden Calf of Bristol's willing to work hard too. Does that guarantee he'll succeed?

I'm not seeing it. If he's our pick though, I'll hope to be wrong.

And if Chris Weinke wasn't at Florida State they don't win it all either.

Did it help him succeed in the pros?

Desire to be great's a good thing, but people overestimate the "want" factor.

Lots of guys want it bad but ultimately just don't have what it takes.

Sorry, but you guys aren't proving anything here.

With all due respect, we've provided much more evidence that he does want to be great than anyone has provided that he doesn't...

I'm not trying to brainwash anybody into liking Cam, everyone has the right to their opinion, but I think some of the stuff about Cam like this "desire to be great" thing is absurd.

[Davidson Deac II]

look at history? only 3 or 4 player in history could even do what he did..

What did he do that only 3-4 other guys in history could do?

[Mr. Scot]

With all due respect, we've provided much more evidence that he does want to be great than anyone has provided that he doesn't...

I'm not trying to brainwash anybody into liking Cam, everyone has the right to their opinion, but I think some of the stuff about Cam like this "desire to be great" thing is absurd.

What evidence can you provide that 'wanting to be great' is a guarantee of success?

There are loads of guys who hope to be great on an annual basis. Not all of them succeed.

look at history? only 3 or 4 player in history could even do what he did..

Take a look at the past 20 years of quarterbacks who have won the National Championship and/or the Heisman (some have won both) and take a look at their records in the NFL. Then try and tell me again that it's an indicator of pro potential.

[CatMan72]

What did he do that only 3-4 other guys in history could do?

Step in as a starter and go 14-0, win national championship, Heisman and in particular come from behind against Bama all while being under the intense scrutiny of an NCAA investigation and the media.... at least that's the criteria Bill Parcells used.