The end of the NFL as we know it!

[House]

This thread is funny because of all the people that are taking Fiz's granola eating socialist ass seriously.

[4Corners]

Why should this upset me? Am I upset when Goldman Sachs or JP Morgan have the largest returns?

Should we break up Wal-Mart, one of the most successful business in American history? Or maybe Home Depot?

this is simply an expression of the free market and true conservatives, not RINOs, should embrace it.

Apples to Oranges.

George Bush really did wonders for the free market.

[Fiz]

You are senile to believe that the popularity of the NFL will not go down.

Senility deals with forgetting things. Perhaps you meant another word? Certainly you're not implying I'm forgetting something I once knew due to decay in the ability of my neurons to fire, thus impacting my opinion.

I'd equate what we would witness to F1 and Indy Car, two prime examples of a sport where revenue directly correlates to the results on the tracks weekly. Both of which barely are live from their glory days. Both direct results of uncapped, unlimited funding. If this is the path you wish to go down, you will be cheering (or not) for the LA Panthers.

who's to say this will happen?

I'd much rather adhere to the wisdom of the free market than clutch to government intervention simply because another league was unable to maintain their level of popularity.

The NBA another great example. A league with a salary cap but you can exceed it but the team is stuck with paying a luxury tax over the cap. Look at who wins year in and year out. The teams with the most funding and in the same token, look at how many people don't care about the NBA because of the said economics game.

Plenty of people care about the NBA, it's the number 2 sport in the country. As far as having the most money and winning it all, I don't see the Dallas Mavericks hoisting any NBA Championships.

Sure you have a heart warming story like the Giants or Marlins occasionally in MLB but this is the exact model you have in that sport. Look at the teams that traditionally dominate in and out every year. Yankees, Red Sox, Philllies, Angels, and Texas.

The Cardinals and the Giants also won World Series this decade, while the Angels haven't won a world series in almost a decade, and Texas has been to the post season once in about 25 years.

I will lose interest in the NFL if this is the path it takes. I don't particularly care for the 3 other major American sports nor NASCAR as its went the same route.

it's unfortunate that you can only cheer for a sport that's gamed against conservative american principals. Maybe you can move to Europe?

[RealisticFan]

there's nothing ignorant about the rationality of the free market.

On which principles, or should I say whose?

Edit: Let me help with your Google research, is it the invisible hand or the interpolation?

[PhillyB]

trolltastic

[Lumps]

lol @ free market being an American principle

fiz=troll

[Fiz]

I don't think that a law firm is a very good comparison to what's going on right here. Just as Judge Nelson ruled, there is way more going on here than just a union and an organization arguing privately over compensation. This is a matter than has ramifications all the way down to the person buying a hot dog at a game.

why not?

Young men decide to go into a profession, work their asses off in high school, hopefully get accepted into a university which is known for having the best instructors, works hard for four years, then desires to be rewarded for their accomplishments.

Am I talking about the NFL or major law firms?

Every NFL team is in the business of football. Every lawfirm is in th business of law.

Also, one could argue that a player in the current system is choosing where he works. He chose to work for the NFL. He just happens to be working in a different branch of the overall organization. (Much like bank tellers moving from branch to branch. They chose to work at BB&T, just not the exact location.)

eXactly! but bank tellers aren't drafted by other banks, or traded. they're free to shop their skills to the highest bidder, and the banking industry just had one of it's most successful year in a terrible economy.

[Fiz]

On which principles, or should I say whose?

the owners that are willing to spend more will theoretically have a better product.

this better product will attract more fans.

other owners will have to spend more to keep up.

fans will have to work harder to afford tickets.

In the end, everyone becomes better. I hesitate to quote one of our greatest Americans, Ronald Reagan, but I feel that here it's appropriate. "A rising tide lifts all boats."

[4Corners]

lol @ free market being an American principle

fiz=troll

[RealisticFan]

the owners that are willing to spend more will theoretically have a better product.

this better product will attract more fans.

other owners will have to spend more to keep up.

fans will have to work harder to afford tickets.

In the end, everyone becomes better. I hesitate to quote one of our greatest Americans, Ronald Reagan, but I feel that here it's appropriate. "A rising tide lifts all boats."

Which principle philosophy "genius"?

[Brandon]

as an advocate of the free market, I'm glad that finally the special considerations that have impeded the natural flow of economics are finally being done away with.

Now the best players from college will be adequately rewarded for their performances. This will provide incentives for them to play better in college and improve the junior game. Law firms don't get to have drafts, why should the NFL?

Your analogy fails because law firms have few to no relation to sports franchises at all. A better analogy would be comparing the NFL and it's franchises to a major automaker such as GM or Ford. They different brands within the corporation work both against each other but also together in order to strengthen the corp. as a whole.

The argument that I don't understand by the players is that the NFL is creating a monopoly but there are multiple sporting leagues operating within the United States and competing against one another. Just because these players are more suited for the NFL does not mean they couldn't choose to go to another league entirely. It's like being upset at joining the Air Force to be a pilot because that's what your skill set is best suited to, then being grossly overpaid but still mad because Navy Seals make better bonuses than you do.

[Ruff]

why not?

Young men decide to go into a profession, work their asses off in high school, hopefully get accepted into a university which is known for having the best instructors, works hard for four years, then desires to be rewarded for their accomplishments.

Am I talking about the NFL or major law firms?

Every NFL team is in the business of football. Every lawfirm is in the business of law.

I was saying that the NFL is more public than your basic law firms. The average Joe Blow fan is a part of the economics of the business, and thus should be accounted for. (At least, according to Judge Nelson, that is.)

“[T]he public ramifications of this dispute exceed the abstract principles of the antitrust laws, as professional football involves many layers of tangible economic impact, ranging from broadcast revenues down to concessions sales,” Judge Nelson writes at page 87 of her 89-page written ruling. “And, of course, the public interest represented by the fans of professional football — who have a strong investment in the 2011 season — is an intangible interest that weighs against the lockout. In short, this particular employment dispute is far from a purely private argument over compensation.”

- PFT

[Fiz]

Which principle philosophy "genius"?

that people that are willing to pay more for a better product should be allowed to do so without the intervention of unnatural forces, in this case the government granting the nfl an anti-trust exemption.

[Brandon]

In the end, everyone becomes better. I hesitate to quote one of our greatest Americans, Ronald Reagan, but I feel that here it's appropriate. "A rising tide lifts all boats."

Because Reagan was obviously a genious when it comes to economics... oh wait no he was wrong. The "trickle down" philosophy only aided in increasing the gap between the wealthy and poor which when aided with the nonsense Carter and Clinton's administrations pushed through put us in the gigantic mess we are in now.