Roger Goodell: Football's Future If the Players Win

[jtm]

You said that you know the law......look up the legal reasons a company can seek a lockout. The NFL can not lockout the players unless they are suffering financial losses, period. If and when the NFL owners are exposed, the lockout will be exposed for what it is, a negotiation tactic. Once that happens, the NFL owners will be in a world of poo.

Not really an appropriate forum to get into a legal analysis. The real interesting part is going to be if free agency opens up on Monday and no players are signed/traded. If the NFL appears to be working as one against the players, collusion will be raised. Collusion is a big no no when it comes to anti-trust. All in all both sides are lawyered up and all of this is just a negotiation. Labor disputes and walk-outs/lock-outs happen all the time in other businesses. Both side want this to work and these ploys are really negotiation strategies where one side is trying to get the upper hand on the other.

[riddel]

Did you actually just call someone "dippoo"? My 13 yo son stopped calling people that about 5 years ago.

Next, you will be calling someone a doo-doo head.

I did.....poo head.

[panfan32]

And what Captain Clueless fails to realize is there are only a limited amount of people in the US capable of investing the money needed for an NFL team. That money will increase 10 fold if the employees win their suit!

We are going to see payrolls = 300 million plus just to compete if the players get their way. Nearly Triple what the cap is now. I know of at least 5 teams that will go tits up immediately. the what? Now there are 265 less roster spots for players to fill. What then? Do they sue the remaining teams saying they have to increase their roster limits or get sued for anti trust violations?

There isn't one intelligent person on the planet that would take over an NFL team under the coming conditions if they win. Billionaires got to be Billionaires because they are smart, investing in an NFL team under those conditions = pure stupidity.

OMG do you even follow football. The salary cap 2009 before the xtension of the current CBA was $128 million per team. So how is $300 Mil triple or near Triple.

[Mvp2014]

This is so stupid. Nobody told them they had to be in the NFL, go work for your dad if you cant handle the NFL. Greedy fugs are killing the game

[riddel]

How come unions are never for the free market with the notion of competing unions?

Really? Really? You're going to blame this on unions?

I don't know which year you are in college, but I'm hoping you take Labor Negotiations and Collective Bargaining next semester, so you can understand that if unions did not exist, we would all be earning peanuts while working under slave conditions. Today, businesses are regulated by federal and state laws to prevent employee mistreatment and this is a direct result of unions.

[MHS831]

Some of you need to get this point: It is the richest, large-market teams who will have the choice, not the players. The Giants and the Patriots will dominate the talent pools by offering Steinbrenner-like contracts to attract the top talent. The players will not choose their employers, the employers will choose the best players and throw enough cash at them to take any choice out of the equation. They will have the best QBs every year, get the majority of the TV games, etc.

[jpniner]

Who does the asset that is the Panthers belong to? Why is this assett "distressed" now? Does this issue have to do with finanical problems for the owner(s)? Is it possible their other businesses are floundering in a slow economy?

Jerry Richardson and the owners are not lying about their financial state. They have cash flow problems, in large part because their Payroll is outrageous.

[jpniner]

Some of you need to get this point: It is the richest, large-market teams who will have the choice, not the players. The Giants and the Patriots will dominate the talent pools by offering Steinbrenner-like contracts to attract the top talent. The players will not choose their employers, the employers will choose the best players and throw enough cash at them to take any choice out of the equation. They will have the best QBs every year, get the majority of the TV games, etc.

Unless, when they re-organize under the new NFL and AFL each franchise enters in a competiting agreement with the other franchises that puts each in the same Salary Cap and Revenue sharing agreement.

[riddel]

OMG do you even follow football. The salary cap 2009 before the xtension of the current CBA was $128 million per team. So how is $300 Mil triple or near Triple.

Here is the funniest part. The NFL salary cap is based on revenues from the prior year.....

In 2009 the salary cap grew by $12 million per team, meaning POSITIVE cash flow, not loses....then the owners opted out of the CBA in 2010 so no salary cap for 2010.

[twylyght]

Roger Goodell has written a column in response to today's ruling.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704132204576285090526726626.html

(sorry if this has already been posted)

Like it or not, Goodell is exactly right. I have pondered what would be the death of pro football for me. This is it.

The funny thing is that the former union was supposedly acting on behalf of all of its constituents when it is clearly the case that the top 10% (and that is being generous) will only initially benefit from the kinds of things they were seeking.

If Judge Nelson and Doty's vision of the NFL comes to fruition, then you can kiss the league goodbye in any form that is worth a damn.

Congratulations D Smith et al! You got your current clients a short-lived ransom at the expense of everyone else's future

[jtm]

Jerry Richardson and the owners are not lying about their financial state. They have cash flow problems, in large part because their Payroll is outrageous.

Now I am on the owners' side but I don't believe they have cash flow problems. Rather, I believe that they want to prevent what has happened to other sports like baseball. You don't want to get into a situation where players are calling the shots. The owners' have a billion dollars that they divide before even getting to their books. Creative accounting as I like to call it and I don't have any issue with it. Good players in the NFL get paid very well and bad players still get a bunch of money.

[twylyght]

Really? Really? You're going to blame this on unions?

I don't know which year you are in college, but I'm hoping you take Labor Negotiations and Collective Bargaining next semester, so you can understand that if unions did not exist, we would all be earning peanuts while working under slave conditions. Today, businesses are regulated by federal and state laws to prevent employee mistreatment and this is a direct result of unions.

Funny... I work in a "right to work state" just fine. As it turns out, TONS of businesses are FLOCKING here simply for that reason ALONE.

Your understanding of business and competitive markets is juvenile at best

>> Also, to have state-run and subsidized institutions to lecture us on the reality of competitive markets and pure capitalism is an ill-gotten joke. I daresay less than 5% of collegiate professors would know the first thing about running a successful business in the real world. Universities will teach you all day about how to create a fairer system in the guise of administrative law, legislated boondoggles, and pie-in-the-sky visions of the elevation of humanity in the eyes of those persons that know least about their professions of teaching. For all of their collective wisdom, the whims of political hackery aimed at the fears and hates of the masses to their own ends will continue to break what the leaders in the industry continue to innovate. Thing is, you won't be around in 10 years to testify just how this "more perfect union" actually architected the demise of anything that actually produces/works.

[jtm]

Here is the funniest part. The NFL salary cap is based on revenues from the prior year.....

In 2009 the salary cap grew by $12 million per team, meaning POSITIVE cash flow, not loses....then the owners opted out of the CBA in 2010 so no salary cap for 2010.

Having no salary cap was meant to be a punishment to the owners for not having a deal done. The players envisioned a free market bidding war for the top players and this back-fired. Every team instead used this as an opportunity to cut dead weight. I think the NFL is at serious risk for collusion which is an anti-trust violation.

[mountainpantherfan]

PERFECT!

Sell your boat if you can't afford the maintenance. A NFL team is a luxury. There are only 32 in the WORLD. Sell the team and let someone who wants to pay for that luxury enjoy it!

I could careless if Richardson has to flip 100 more hamburgers inorder to pay for the team, but the fact is he is making money, while enjoying the notoriety of owning 1 of 32 NFL teams.

The fact is a NFL team is luxury. Richardson, if you aren't making as much as you would like, then sell, but don't EVER show me a pie chart again, you country hillbilly! I don't give a poo, just pay what's necessary and put a winning product on the field or get the hell out!

So owning a NFL team is a luxury but playing in the NFL is a right?

You are so fuging stupid you don't even know it.