Roger Goodell: Football's Future If the Players Win

[jpniner]

things that "alter market forces," econ 101, are things like salary cap, a draft, profit sharing, shared stadium financing, trades, and franchise tags.

Who do you think wants those? Who do they benefit the most?

The teams, in reaction to Player Union strikes, demands, etc....

none of which have a thing politically to do with Dems and Republicans since this IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT, but Private entities working together. Not the Federal Govt. telling the NFL how it will operate, set wages, etc, etc...., which goes back to the Anti-Trust laws which the Feds are influencing business operations and why the NFL probably will have to disband given pace they are on.

Unions however, non-owners, using Coercion to alter the business is another matter. Many would argue they are crooks from the start, legally protected.

[mav1234]

the NFL WILL NOT disband.

it may contract in time if economic conditions do not improve but maybe that is a better business model.

[RHCPanther]

uh, this isn't deregulation and the NFL isn't set up as a true "Free market". For one thing, a Free market doesn't have Unions using Coercion to alter market forces and a truly free market sports league wouldn't have team owner but League owners instead.

In the end, money doesn't grow on trees and the NFLPA will destroy the NFL via their greed and Coercion to get what is not theres in a down economy.

While consumers looking at rising food and Energy cost start spending less on the NFL product.

The NFL needs the CBA as much as the players. For a CBA there has to be a union. Bear in mind - the owners have chosen to opt-out of the CBA. This is the result of the owners trying to squeeze every drop out of the business so that they can continue expanding the game. Your discussion about food and energy cost is irrelevant here.

btw, under a so called "Free Market" that merely means the Govt. isn't using its Coercion powers to Regulate.

Private entities, such as the NFL, can setup their Product(NFL Football) and how it operates, freely as they choose. The problem they then run into is Anti-Trust laws applying to them, but not the Thug Union who it should also apply to.

Way off base.

[riddel]

The teams, in reaction to Player Union strikes, demands, etc....

none of which have a thing politically to do with Dems and Republicans since this IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT, but Private entities working together. Not the Federal Govt. telling the NFL how it will operate, set wages, etc, etc...., which goes back to the Anti-Trust laws which the Feds are influencing business operations and why the NFL probably will have to disband given pace they are on.

Unions however, non-owners, using Coercion to alter the business is another matter. Many would argue they are crooks from the start, legally protected.

The crooks are the ones claiming economic stress, while refusing to open the books to prove this stress....the fact is the lockout was a sham from the start to pressure players into a deal that puts more money in the owners pockets and places players at risk for two more games. UNLESS the owners can prove economic stress, then they have committed a crime by locking out the players. You can NOT claim you are suffering losses and lockout employees, if indeed you are not suffering those losses. The NFL is screwed when those books open.

[weymouthst]

The NFL pretty much needs to be regulated, because of the disparity in revenue between different teams.

I don't want the NFL to be like baseball, where every year the yankees or the red sox are the teams to beat. It gets old and tired. There needs to be competition in the NFL.

And obviously the thing about drug tests would be an issue. If there is no league that oversees and regulates, then what team would care if their players took steroids and performance enhancing products? They wouldn't. As long as you show up and perform there would be no questions.

This is just a bad idea. Football is the most popular sport in america, and I am quite sure that it brings in the most revenue. This needs to be regulated, otherwise its just all about the star players and nothing else.

LAME. I don't want a handful of teams farming the rest of the teams every year to get to the superbowl. There would be no competition! LAME!

Players suck right now. As if they don't get enough money already? Seriously? People hardly get by on $10,000 a year and these guys complain about getting MILLIONS?

[jpniner]

The owners, when issuing franchises can create Revenue Sharing, Salary Caps, etc. as part of the agreement to join the league. Smaller Market franchises wishing to enter, would be foolish to sign up if this were not part of the deal. The Govt. and Federal Regulation as opposed to the NFL regulating itself is the issue here.

This all got altered by the Feds placing Anti-Trust laws on the NFL, screwing everything up in the process and opening the doors for the players Union to further screw everything up. Which they've done nicely over the years.

Look, the Panthers are a "Distressed Asset" at BofA and Wachovia/Wells where they have their debt. This is not because the Owners are making bank and screwing over the players. Under current setup, influenced heavily by Anti-Trust Laws and the NFLPA crooks, is sending teams like the Panthers towards Bankruptcy. If you think I'm making this up, just find some bankers in Charlotte, there are plenty, where this is wildly known.

[carolinarolls]

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[carolinarolls]

regulation is never the answer.

My building.

My license.

My business.

My Risk.

My decision.

If I take risk and open the doors to create all this revenue for so many people on the fringe and otherwise, I have every right to be as greedy or generous as I damn well please and no union crook is gonna tell me different unless he steps lightly and has something legit to beef about.

I can claim all my outstanding debt as reason to file bankruptcy and give a big middle finger to everybody involved if I own a business claiming an inability to see future revenue and/or benefit to stay in operation. I set the level of success for my business. I set what the margin has to be for me to continue operations.

If you are telling me that that my employees can get together, ask to see my books on my business and have some judge force me to remain open under the circumstances that they, the help, deem fair, I give you another example of a failing justice system in a litigious society.

[jpniner]

If Atlas Shrugs, there is no Football.

[riddel]

regulation is never the answer.

My building.

My license.

My business.

My risk.

My decision.

If i take risk and open the doors to create all this revenue for so many people on the fringe and otherwise, i have every right to be as greedy or generous as i damn well please and no union crook is gonna tell me different unless he steps lightly and has something legit to beef about.

I can claim all my outstanding debt as reason to file bankruptcy and give a big middle finger to everybody involved if i own a business claiming an inability to see future revenue and/or benefit to stay in operation.

If you are telling me that that my employees can get together, ask to see my books on my business and have some judge force me to remain open under the circumstances that they, the help, deem fair, i give you another example of a failing justice system in a litigious society.

psl

[riddel]

If Atlas Shrugs, there is no Football.

What idiot gives themself pie? :rolleyes:

[CharlieSheen]

If the NFL goes under then the government will bail them out and everyone will get paid. YAYYYYY! WINNING!!

[RHCPanther]

Look, the Panthers are a "Distressed Asset" at BofA and Wachovia/Wells where they have their debt.

Who does the asset that is the Panthers belong to? Why is this assett "distressed" now? Does this issue have to do with finanical problems for the owner(s)? Is it possible their other businesses are floundering in a slow economy?

[carolinarolls]

psl

let them sue

after I complete my contracted obligations there will be nothing left.

plus they still own the seat. go sit it in it all you want