John Fox thinks we pass on Cam Newton

[Jackofalltrades]

So John Fox thinks we won't take Newton and you think his opinion is worth something. But Gruden thinks we will take Newton and you think his opinion is worthless despite both having about the same track record as far as QBs go.

This should be easy to understand.

1. Fox wasn't critiquing Newton, just commenting that he didn't see him here

2. Fox sent 9 years here with Hurney, knows him as well as anyone in the league would, made decisions together, knows his philosophy, knows JR's philosophy and has no real incentive to hold back when talking about the Panthers now.

3. Gruden has never been associated with Hurney or the Panthers on top of never developing a good QB or drafting a good QB. Coincidence that TB lands a legit QB once Gruden is gone? I don't think so.

Yes, this is far more credible than Gruden's ratings fetcher on ESPN.

[The Saltman]

Cam Newton

[KillerKat]

This should be easy to understand.

1. Fox wasn't critiquing Newton, just commenting that he didn't see him here

2. Fox sent 9 years here with Hurney, knows him as well as anyone in the league would, made decisions together, knows his philosophy, knows JR's philosophy and has no real incentive to hold back when talking about the Panthers now.

3. Gruden has never been associated with Hurney or the Panthers on top of never developing a good QB or drafting a good QB. Coincidence that TB lands a legit QB once Gruden is gone? I don't think so.

Yes, this is far more credible than Gruden's ratings fetcher on ESPN.

He doesn't know the direction we're going in now or about our new philosophy. If we were sticking with the same philosophy, we wouldn't have ignored Fox during last years draft and picked guys that Fox never would have and he would still be our head coach. So he's about as clueless as anyone else about who we are going to draft and how our team is going to be run. Fox also never developed or drafted a good QB either.

[Mr. Scot]

This should be easy to understand.

1. Fox wasn't critiquing Newton, just commenting that he didn't see him here

2. Fox sent 9 years here with Hurney, knows him as well as anyone in the league would, made decisions together, knows his philosophy, knows JR's philosophy and has no real incentive to hold back when talking about the Panthers now.

3. Gruden has never been associated with Hurney or the Panthers on top of never developing a good QB or drafting a good QB. Coincidence that TB lands a legit QB once Gruden is gone? I don't think so.

Yes, this is far more credible than Gruden's ratings fetcher on ESPN.

Valid points, but in fairness, Fox knew Hurney-Fox. He doesn't necessarily know Hurney-Rivera.

[Lakejamescat]

Now, now John you are not being the "same guy"....

[Oldschool Leroy]

Maybe by projecting that the Panthers are taking Dareus, he hopes other teams will deal with the Broncos to get up to pick Newton or Gabbert. He could be just answering a question because he got asked.

[BBQ&Beer]

I doubt Fox would draft Luck had he declared.

[Jackofalltrades]

Fox's QB knowledge has squat to do with whether or not we pick Cam.

There's nothing to indicate we're changing philosophies. As a matter of fact, the retention of Hurney tells me that things aren't going to change all that much. As I said, Fox knows Hurney, Richardson and Gregory.

I would think Fox knows more than anyone not part of the Panther's organization.

[chef17]

Yeah, but most coaches go out of the way not to go on the record about players on other teams. Two reasons: they don't want to give the other team ammunition or bulletin board material, and they never know if they might have to coach that player someday in the future.

Fox isn't close to most coaches

[AnalyzeThIs#28]

I agree with Fox, I think we will take Dareus 1st. You just don't never know with Cam, he has made some bad decisions in the past and has only 1 year of experience playing at Auburn. He does have a lot of upside, but he needs to be on the bench for a year to learn defenses better and for a smooth transition to NFL.

[teeray]

Fox is blowing our smokescreen if we are smokescreening. Wish he would just STFU.

[Mr. Scot]

Fox's QB knowledge has squat to do with whether or not we pick Cam.

There's nothing to indicate we're changing philosophies. As a matter of fact, the retention of Hurney tells me that things aren't going to change all that much. As I said, Fox knows Hurney, Richardson and Gregory.

I would think Fox knows more than anyone not part of the Panther's organization.

Hard to define.

We're actually going back to our old offensive attack, though run by different people.

And that's the big deal for me. Maybe we're not changing core philosophies, but we have changed the people who are applying those philosophies. So for me, it's inevitable that things change.

Now, with all that said, could Fox actually be right about this?

He most definitely could.

[teeray]

[Mother Grabber]

Doubt it. I think he will last longer more than you guys think. More than McDaniels for sure. :D :D

Did he suddenly figure out how to make adjustments? The only thing he has going for him is that he's playing in a pooty conference.