Judge Nelson rules in favor of the players (lockout lifted...at the moment)

[Fiz]

This ruling did not help get a deal done faster. I can see this turning into an ugly mess now.

A federal judge telling the owners that their arguments have no legal standing does not help a deal get done faster.

Yes hmmm yes

I can guarantee you that this judge wouldn't dismantle an organized strike by the players, when there is really no difference between such a strike and what the owners have done.

Actually they're completely different things.

[Fiz]

first time poster

hopefully last time poster

[YourMomsLover]

Fiz is the shiz in the trolling biz :D

[PimpinCarolinaCat]

There would have been no cap either way.

How so? I thought part of the new CBA was that there would be a ceiling for new players coming into the NFL. Specifically high end draft picks. If a new CBA were worked out this would have most definately made it in it, so your comment confuses me.... If this leads to things being reverted back to the previous CBA for at least this season then, in essence, there would be no rookie salary cap and Mr. Luck would have missed out on millions by not coming out this year.

[Fiz]

who would you negotiate a new cba with? the union decertified and can't be legally reformed until next year

[PimpinCarolinaCat]

who would you negotiate a new cba with? the union decertified and can't be legally reformed until next year

yet owners and players including Smith (yes I know Smith asked to be made part of this team) were recommended by the court to continue negotiating for an agreement. Obviously I know the union has decertified but I dont know how that will play into how the CBA is worked out. But to simply say there can be no CBA without any Union is confusing.... When put that way there is no hope of a CBA until next year which would mean no football unless they revert back to the old ways of the owners with the most money get the best players system.

With all the talk of how an agreement will be made and football will be played this year sorta clashes with your mentallity of no union no cba....

if you care to explain then please do

[Snake]

A federal judge telling the owners that their arguments have no legal standing does not help a deal get done faster.

Yes hmmm yes

Actually they're completely different things.

Ummm no... It just set us up for a summer full of appeals.

This ruling was going to be appealed either way but if the NFL gets there appeal then the Union can just push it to the supreme court.

You should already know this Fiz...

[Dpantherman]

:lol:

[Fiz]

Ummm no... It just set us up for a summer full of appeals.

This ruling was going to be appealed either way but if the NFL gets there appeal then the Union can just push it to the supreme court.

You should already know this Fiz...

do i really have to explain how legal precedent work? the common american notion of what an appeal is is completely ludicrous. the nfl owners, to be granted an appeal to a higher court, have to prove that something wasn't right with their original trial. they can't just give them double birds, grab their junk, and go to new jersey. they're going to try mind you but they probably won't succeed.

every single thing this judge said i've been saying for months. it's clear as day to anyone with two brain cells to rub together who bothered to read the legal history of this case. the nfl might get an emergency stay if they can prove hardship (with the draft approaching and no one wanting the trading bloodbath that would occur if between now and thursday teams could use players) and i don't even necessarily disagree with that but it's a long way from winning an appeal.

and even until that appeal is granted the nfl is going on business as usual, until they get that emergency stay, and even then it's impossible to know how long it will be for.

basically if you want closure this is the best thing for it.

yet owners and players including Smith (yes I know Smith asked to be made part of this team) were recommended by the court to continue negotiating for an agreement. Obviously I know the union has decertified but I dont know how that will play into how the CBA is worked out. But to simply say there can be no CBA without any Union is confusing.... When put that way there is no hope of a CBA until next year which would mean no football unless they revert back to the old ways of the owners with the most money get the best players system.

With all the talk of how an agreement will be made and football will be played this year sorta clashes with your mentallity of no union no cba....

if you care to explain then please do

in lieu of existing laws/rules to judge work guidelines, in every single contract/labor dispute the judge/arbitrator will work out a status quo clause. since the PU doesn't legally exist anymore, the judge will recommend that they just use last years rules.

it's fairly common.

[PimpinCarolinaCat]

in lieu of existing laws/rules to judge work guidelines, in every single contract/labor dispute the judge/arbitrator will work out a status quo clause. since the PU doesn't legally exist anymore, the judge will recommend that they just use last years rules.

it's fairly common.

THANK YOU!!! thank you very much for saying that and proving my point... Last years rules would follow the guidelines of the previous CBA (the last set of rules agreed upon) Hence making my original comment correct that there would be no rookie pay ceiling and that Andrew Luck just missed out on millions due to the fact by next years draft surely to god there will be another CBA agreed upon and a rookie pay scale put into place.

^^ if and only if the stay is not granted and the lockout officially ends.... and I guess the owners would also have to lose their appeal to prevent the confusion of reapplying the lockout and contract reprocussions.

[theyhateme45]

hopefully last time poster

:lol: Gotta love the Huddle Welcome Here...

[PimpinCarolinaCat]

:lol: Gotta love the Huddle Welcome Here...

Thank you I appreciate a little sympathy on your part.... I ask a question and get run off. At least im still trying to clarify were I apparently made a mistake. Based on Fiz's last comment I do not see how I was wrong.

[Fiz]

from a lawyer (and football savant)

1.) Judge Nelson stays her own decision pending appeal. Lockout stays in effect until the 8th Circuit decides what the next step is.

2.) Judge Nelson doesn't stay her own opinion, but an 8th Circuit panel accepts the appeal and grants a stay as emergency injunctive relief. This would require the NFL to prove substantial likelihood of success on the merits and irreparable damage or injury. This would be a pretty big tea leaf on how said 8th Circuit panel is likely to rule, although perhaps not the final disposition due to en banc appeals of panel appeals.

3.) The NFL doesn't get the decision stayed. This doesn't mean the case is over by any means, but it does mean that the lockout is over. All hell would break loose; I'm not even sure the draft would happen as scheduled.

Go back to Nelson's ruling. There is no "labor dispute", according to her, since:

1. There is no CBA

2. There is no organization aka union capable of negotiating a CBA

In light of that, the lockout is illegal. Here's the next steps:

A. NFL asks Nelson to stay her own ruling

B. NFL 8th Circuit to stay Nelson's ruling

C. Failing the above, the NFL could contact player's counsel to see if they would agree moving forward under old (2010 CBA) free agency rules.

We don't know how or if the players' counsel would respond. Obviously, some rules would be necessary or everyone would immediately become a free agent.

More than likely, nothing is going to happen before Thursday night, even if the ruling isn't stayed (which I consider likely).

[rico6]

Bring on Newty.