The final case for Cam Newton

[TruCatzFan]

Name a great QB that played for Gruden.

Or better yet, one he drafted and developed.

Case and point! But True! I can't argue at all Joat!

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Name a great QB that played for Gruden.

Or better yet, one he drafted and developed.

I wouldn't say it's really his fault, he is the coach, his job is not to develop each person as a whole but the team as a whole. I would say it was more of the quarterback coaches fault. Just my opinion.

[TruCatzFan]

I wouldn't say it's really his fault, he is the coach, his job is not to develop each person as a whole but the team as a whole. I would say it was more of the quarterback coaches fault. Just my opinion.

I agree, I would add that he doesn't get all the say so in drafting as well. That's one of the MAJOR reasons he left

[Sword]

Name a great QB that played for Gruden.

Or better yet, one he drafted and developed.

from what it looks like, he never got his choice of who to draft at QB..always seemed to be later round picks that are always hit or miss.

[TruCatzFan]

FYI...

I just saw a preview for Bill Parcells' "Draft room Special"

And he had Cam Newton rated #1 on his big board!

He only had cam and Gabbert as 1st round draft picks as far as QB's went!

I'm way more inclined to take his recommendation over Gruden's!

[teeray]

Name a great QB that played for Gruden.

Or better yet, one he drafted and developed.

Gannon went from a career journeyman to an MVP and 4 time pro bowler. And won two pro bowl MVPs

[Verge]

Wonderlic’s

Alex Smith (Wonderlic- 40)

Matt Leinart (Wonderlic- 35)

Joey Harrington (Wonderlic- 32)

J.P. Losman (Wonderlic- 31)

Kerry Collins (Wonderlic- 30)

Chris Weinke (Wonderlic- 29)

Cade McNown (Wonderlic- 28)

Ryan Leaf (Wonderlic- 27)

Cam Newton (Wonderlic- 21)

Michael Vick (Wonderlic- 20)

Terry Bradshaw (Wonderlic- 15):

Dan Marino (Wonderlic- 15)

Randall Cunningham (Wonderlic- 15)

Steve McNair (Wonderlic- 15)

Donovan McNabb (Wonderlic- 14)

David Garrard (Wonderlic- 14)

This really proves that Wonderlic’s are essentially garbage and they mean nothing. Some of the best quarterback’s have had the best wonderlic scores and worst wonderlic scores, then some of the worst quarterback’s have had some of the best wonderlic scores and worst wonderlic scores. I really don’t know how you would put much if any stock into wonderlic scores.

Ok, I’m done.

Can I just come out and say that the wonderlic doesn't mean poo?

It's the easiest test I have ever taken, I missed one question due to time running out, but I know the answer to the last one, the fact people base intelligence on this is ridiculous.

[Eazy-E]

Name a great QB that played for Gruden.

Or better yet, one he drafted and developed.

Or even better, name one team in the NFL where John Gruden was the QB coach.

[carpanfan96]

Now his team has fallen miles behind the rest of the NFC South. My view is that Hurney likes Jimmy Clausen a little bit, but really doesn't know if he's the answer in a division that features quarterbacks Drew Brees, Matt Ryan and rising star Josh Freeman. It's a quarterback league, and he knows he probably needs one. His owner, Jerry Richardson, has in effect given him the keys to the 2011 draft and told him to take the best man, regardless of position.

So this weekend I tried to put myself in Hurney's position. I believe it's very likely he'll take Auburn quarterback Cam Newton, even though he knows how dangerous Newton is. And assuming he does, knowing a little of what makes Hurney tick, I'm going to tell you how I think Hurney will be feeling over the next three days and nights prior to the 8 p.m. beginning of round one.

(Could the Panthers pick someone else? Still possible, but I believe unlikely. I'm told they believe they need to take a calculated risk here for the long-term best interest of the franchise.)

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/04/24/mmqb/index.html#ixzz1KW1R6g2z

[Jackofalltrades]

More conjecture, what else you got?

[mav1234]

Can I just come out and say that the wonderlic doesn't mean poo?

It's the easiest test I have ever taken, I missed one question due to time running out, but I know the answer to the last one, the fact people base intelligence on this is ridiculous.

Did you take the real wonderlic, or the ones floating around the internet?

[Verge]

Did you take the real wonderlic, or the ones floating around the internet?

Real wonderlic.

[mav1234]

Real wonderlic.

Have you taken a real IQ test?

The two tests are said to be very similar, with the wonderlic meant to be correlated with an IQ test I believe.

I don't know that the Wonderlic is poo - some of the recent trends in the NFL seem to suggest otherwise. Score is certainly is not directly correlated with success, but there may be something more to a minimum threshold than many of us thought. I'm curious to watch how the trend continues over the next few years (scroll down and read this for some interesting numbers, albeit inconclusive ones IMO).

I think that when people try to look at some of the older players to say low Wonderlic scores don't matter, it is failing to take into account a chance in the draft process and a change the way the game is played...

[Sam Mills Fan]

Name a great QB that played for Gruden.

Or better yet, one he drafted and developed.

Have you ever heard of Rich Gannon?