If you want Dwill to stay....

[TheRealDeal]

dude, I like Moore. I like how Smitty plays w/ Moore. I don't think Smith dislikes Moore.

I said, I don't think he loves him. If he loved him he would say Moore is my QB......Smitty definately would.

Disagree

[Mr. Scot]

it isn't misleading.....players are making it clear.

I mean, really your arguement is that b/c they don't literally write out Clausen sucks, there remarks and comments can still be left up to interpretation. If it was one person I would agree with that......but all the top talent is all implying the same thing.....MOVE ON.

I mean you can choose to "play dumb". But it is clear that Davis, Smitty, Beason, Williams are not content w/ Clausen being the plan.....and they are ready for a new plan now. I mean if you can't pick up on that it is b/c you are TRYING hard not to.

as far as Gross......he is being exactly who he has proven to be. A LT. He has always protected QBs. Means nothing more than just that.

What players say doesn't mean jack....I agree. However, the attitude and atmosphere in a club does mean something. What they say is a clue into that.

In other words, you can't actually find statements to back up what you're saying, but you just know that they're "making it clear". Gotcha :rolleyes:

You might want to keep in mind that Clausen isn't the only QB on roster that's started games for us. Nor is the draft the only method available for acquiring a new quarterback.

The suggestion that players are all lined up as "Newton or bust" has no legs.

[CRA]

Disagree

he hasn't spoken out or done anything to suggest he "loves him some Moore".

[CRA]

In other words, you can't actually find statements to back up what you're saying, but you just know that they're "making it clear". Gotcha :rolleyes:

You might want to keep in mind that Clausen isn't the only QB on roster that's started games for us. Nor is the draft the only method available for acquiring a new quarterback.

The suggestion that players are all lined up as "Newton or bust" has no legs.

like I said, if you want to make an effort to ignore the message being sent.......so be it.

and actually, Clausen IS the only QB under contract that has started games for us.

I never said they were implying Newton or bust..... they all want a QB not named Clausen.

[TheRealDeal]

he hasn't spoken out or done anything to suggest he "loves him some Moore".

He rushed back from injury to play with him once it was announced Moore would start week 6.

His production in those games with Moore is extremely high.

If we know one thing about Smith it's that when he's contributing he's happy.

I'd say those are some good signs that he likes Moore, maybe even loves him.

I think I heard somewhere a while back that Moore's wife shares the suite at BOA with Smitty's family as well, indicating they are friends.

;)

[Mr. Scot]

like I said, if you want to make an effort to ignore the message being sent.......so be it.

and actually, Clausen IS the only QB under contract that has started games for us.

I never said they were implying Newton or bust..... they all want a QB not named Clausen.

Moore has a contract offer.

[Jackofalltrades]

I don't see anything about Newton in his comment.

[TheRealDeal]

I don't see anything about Newton in his comment.

But everyone knows all posts/comments ever made always relate back to Cam Newton so they must have meant draft Cam or bust. Duh!

[CRA]

Moore has a contract offer.

Clausen and Pike are the only QBs under contract.

Moore was tendered with a lot of other guys who aren't part of the future plan. They were all tendered b/c they are considered assets and even though Carolina has a plan they can't predict the future.

[TheRealDeal]

That'd be shitty if Moore wasn't part of the plan and they were paying him upwards of 3.5mil

[Mr. Scot]

Clausen and Pike are the only QBs under contract.

Moore was tendered with a lot of other guys who aren't part of the future plan. They were all tendered b/c they are considered assets and even though Carolina has a plan they can't predict the future.

So we just offered contracts to guys for the heck of it...great :rolleyes:

Guessing you haven't heard Hurney talk about Moore. He doesn't talk about him at all like a guy who "isn't part of the future plan". And yes, the rules of the tender mean he gets a raise.

That's some expensive camp fodder there.

[CRA]

That'd be pooty if Moore wasn't part of the plan and they were paying him upwards of 3.5mil

Moore had a shot.....Fox sabatoged it. Fair or unfair, guys get small windows. I thought Moore got screwed in his.

[Doyle]

you'd better get on the Cam Newton express.

Choo Choo...

[TheRealDeal]

What does that have to do with him getting an offer for 3.5mil and Hurney and Rivera both talking about him like he'll be here in the future?