DT vs QB - Bust Rate

[TheRealDeal]

FWIW, I didn't vote on the poll, because any poll you post is going to be turned into an Anti-Cam hate fest and I'm not going to waste my time. Oh... and you're on ignore, and didn't want to view the thread.

I presented an argument with data at hand. There was proof to back up my statement, you didn't like it, that's fine.

You seem to read and respond to a lot of my posts for someone that has me on ignore. Just admit it babycakes, you can't resist when daddy makes a post.

[Mr. Scot]

don't care about the bust rate

looking at Dareus and Newton objectively, if you seriously think that Dareus is even close to the risk of Newton you should consider not watching football anymore

Yep. You can't factor bust rates into your choice. You have to pick the guy you think is the BPA.

I will say this much. A bust at DT is way easier to recover from than a bust at QB. Though a wasted #1 pick, regardless of position, is a bad bad thing.

[MHS831]

This is very interesting and a bit surprising. However, these QBs were not drafted THIS year. The lockout will impede the QB progress more than the DT. In addition, more DTs on this list had character concerns than the QBs. This just in: Character is IMPORTANT.

[blackcatgrowl]

I presented an argument with data at hand. There was proof to back up my statement, you didn't like it, that's fine.

You seem to read and respond to a lot of my posts for someone that has me on ignore. Just admit it babycakes, you can't resist when daddy makes a post.

Actually, I saw you trolling Panthro again in one of his replies, and was compelled to call you on more B.S.. It's a bit like taking candy from a baby, but does give me some mild lol's.

40 people's opinion as "proof", is not everyone, especially when there are sometimes thousands of registered posters on here at once. Add to that the fact that your poll has been up for at least a couple days and has only seen 40+ people respond.... yeah... you're not only generalizing yourself, but are also a hypocrite for trying to call Pantro out for doing it.

But generalizing is something you're familiar with. I guess it would be easy to try and call out someone on something you do so often, as you should be an expert at spotting it. In fact, it's pretty much all you do.

[TheRealDeal]

Every time you post it's awesome!

[bleys]

it could be argued that the 40 people who responded are the only ones who are left that actually care to have this constant QB debate..

40 people is quite a bit.. I'd venture to say only about 40 people regularly post every single day at a constant rate.

[blackcatgrowl]

Every time you post it's awesome!

Thanks man!

Your posting habits are already legendary to many.

[TheRealDeal]

No point reasoning with him, he thinks a hitch, curl, and chair or "wheel" route are all the same. He's likely never played a down of football in his life and doesn't know what he is watching on TV. Most casual fans can point out what route was run by the player when watching the video over and over again but he simply cannot. He's honestly a waste of air.

Cue inaccurate TiVo comment

[blackcatgrowl]

it could be argued that the 40 people who responded are the only ones who are left that actually care to have this constant QB debate..

40 people is quite a bit.. I'd venture to say only about 40 people regularly post every single day at a constant rate.

I've seen polls with 250 responses. Hell... the "Which side are you on" about the lockout was almost 300 I believe.

So... no... not really.

[kdrh5]

It depends on how you define success.

I'd say Sam Brafford had "success". Joe Flacco certainly had "success".

Peyton Manning... he really didn't have great "success' individually in his rookie year... but he turned an attrocious Colts team around significantly.

You can't really define success the same for every player.

Well, i was talking more about how the cba situation could possibly affect Newton, or any of the QBs in this draft, more than any other year and hamper his development. None of those other QBs you mentioned were drafted into this sort of climate

[TheRealDeal]

I've seen polls with 250 responses. Hell... the "Which side are you on" about the lockout was almost 300 I believe.

So... no... not really.

My poll was directed at "those who want Newton" and only 40ish responded.

The point still stands that I had evidence to back up my statement, so it was not a generalization. I have hard facts.

If you want to argue the sample size is too small that might be accurate but the fact that not 1 person said he was polished it would be tough to argue that a larger sample size would lend much different results.

No haters posted in it. All Cam fans. Most people are just more rational than you and see Cam for what he is. Supporters know it, "haters" know it, you are the only one that doesn't.

Panthro knows it.

Next time daddy tells you something, you listen, you hear me?

[TheRealDeal]

Find me people that seriously believe Cam is not raw or is not a project.

Go!

[blackcatgrowl]

No point reasoning with him, he thinks a hitch, curl, and chair or "wheel" route are all the same. He's likely never played a down of football in his life and doesn't know what he is watching on TV. Most casual fans can point out what route was run by the player when watching the video over and over again but he simply cannot. He's honestly a waste of air.

Cue inaccurate TiVo comment

No need for a Tivo comment.

Coming from a guy who calls a curl/hitch a streak route, I'm hardly offended. Oh.. and coming from a guy who says the average DT in the NFL is comparable to a LB, I'm not too upset.

There was another good completely wrong thing you've said, but I can't remember at the moment...

Anyhow... yeah... :ciappa:

[TheRealDeal]

It's sad that you still think that patter was a curl or hitch or whatever you want to call it.

It was 100% a wheel route (also known as chair, out-n-up, etc) where the receiver ends up streaking up the sideline.

I was wrong about the DTs. Some are very fast and others aren't.

When will you admit you don't know what you are looking at when you watch plays unfold in football games?