Jerry Rice: Accuracy, not race, the issue with Cam Newton

[Panthro]

You don't get "accuracy" from a statistical measure... It's from watching games and looking at things like ball placement depending on what route is being run, what throws are being made, what's being completed and why...

I look at a multitude of factors when making my determination on accuracy. There is no set way to determine it besides watching games and looking for ball placement and things like that.

Like most things sport, it can not be quantified on a stat sheet. You actually have to watch the game and know what you are watching.

lol

All your research and breaking down of game tape

[TheRealDeal]

haha leave poor Jimmy alone! It was his first TD. A thing of beauty... uhh.

if only it hadn't taken him like 8 weeks to get another :(

Jimmy is not immune to my hate, which further proves my non racist ways

[Mr. Scot]

How do you measure it? Please provide any sort of proof besides your usual "I'm just going to blabber some poo and not back it up with anything" M.O.

I'd be interested in seeing how you break down accuracy. Do we factor in YPA? He had the highest YPA's in the NCAA.

Stats won't tell you the full story. If a lot of the passes are short, high percentage passes it's inflated. Neither is YPA a good measure unless you can find a stat that takes out yards after catch. And yes, it's much easier when the receiver is wide open.

To get a true read on accuracy, you pretty much have to watch a game.

This is why WCO quarterbacks often look like hall of famers on the stat sheet but then look awful when you force them into a conventional offense. Heck, before he came to us, David Carr had the highest completion percentage in the league. Didn't help much though.

Watching Newton's passing drills, the thing that comes across pretty clearly is that he's way better throwing to a guy who's stopped than a guy on the move. That's concerning for a team whose offense places a big emphasis on timing routes. And no, drills don't mean everything, but with that said the fact that he's had less than stellar accuracy in situations with no one defending does raise a concern.

[TheRealDeal]

lol

All your research and breaking down of game tape

Good rebuttal.

[King Taharqa]

In Mr.Scot's opinion, Aaron Rodgers is overrated and a product of the Green Bay west coast offense. Put him on the Panthers and he'd be worse than Clausen.

[TheRealDeal]

Why do you always do that KT?

[mav1234]

I'd personally go for Dareus I think. His ability to play across the D-Line and provide some real stopping power could allow our defense to really take the next step. We've lacked a good DT for a long, long time. If the Panthers believe he is an elite DT, take him. Instant upgrade at DT, a huge position of need.

I'm not satisfied with our offense... but nor am I satisfied with the defense. I just think the "fixes" for defense through the draft make more sense this year given who is available at the top of the draft. That's just my opinion.

[Mr. Scot]

See you can't discredit what he did last season but yet y'all do that's what I call a hater.

I can't take away that Chris Weinke won a Heisman and a National Championship either. Didn't make him a successful pro quarterback though.

Trust me, if you look back at the past 20 years of guys that have accomplished those two things, then look at their records in the NFL, you really don't want to use that argument.

[blackcatgrowl]

Well if it was a bad pass it's a bad pass, regardless of the result.

The pass Jimmy threw to Stew was a terrible pass but it went for a 55yd TD.

Stew had to turn around and catch it like a punt.

But how much of that was Stew's timing? How much of it was jimmy checking down and being hurried? How much of it was the defender making a play to break up the pass?

You can't judge all passes equally, because there is two parts to the completed pass. The QB's throw, and the receiver's catch.

But if you look at the BODY of Newton's work... spend time looking at ALL of Auburn's games. you'll see that he is no more or less "Accurate" than other great college QBs.

And this is why people default to stats too... because the variables are so great, if a QB can put up consistent numbers, then he must be doing something right.

But it's easier for you to sit there and say "OMG, STOLEN LAPTOP, BAD ACCURACY, RAR!!!", because it complies with your biased viewpoint.

[King Taharqa]

Why do you always do that KT?

Why do you have more posts in Newton threads than me this offseason? I thought I obsessed over the black QB? You and Scot have probably 1,000 more Newton related posts than me and lead the pack in the Newt discussion. Ive never expended this kind of energy that you guys have convincing us NOT TO DRAFT a player here to the Panthers. Scared much? :yikes:

[blackcatgrowl]

lol

All your research and breaking down of game tape

Exactly Panthro

[Cat'sGrowl]

Well who should we draft? Anybody But Cam is not a person. We cant go to the podium and announce that. C'mon guy, you're cerebral as hell, an everyday Einstein, explain who we draft and how that makes us better and kicks off the Ron Rivera era of Panther football?

Wide Receiver, UGA. AJ Green.

By trading down a few spots and acquiring a 2nd round pick back, the Panthers were still high enough to select the best Receiving prospect since Georgia Tech's Calvin Johnson. At 6'4" with a 4.4 40 and incredible leaping and catching ability, Green established himself as one of the best prospects in the nation through 3 great years of play at the UGA.

Green, who is expected to play alongside Panthers elite WR, Steve Smith, and one day, replace him, is expected to help bolster a Panther's offense that did poorly last year. The Panthers will likely make a move via trade or FA for a veteran QB once the CBA is reached. Now, by giving that QB an abundance of weapons and thereby improving upon the play of that QB, the Panthers look to have a respectable offense next year to go along with a formidable defense, and may possibly surprise some so called "experts."

In a year with a weak QB class, in both the draft and FA, the Panthers were able to make due for this season, with the promise of a much better QB'ing class awaiting them next offseason. Patience, is, afterall, a virtue.

[Millions]

Not just the Heisman but his play on the field throwing AND running like I've been saying he's not the finished product but what I saw along with the winning intangibles makes me think he's worth the risk. Especially if he puts in the work I feel his arm is underrated the stats show that I don't agree that he's as raw in that aspect as some do.

[TheRealDeal]

And this is why people default to stats too... because the variables are so great, if a QB can put up consistent numbers, then he must be doing something right.

But it's easier for you to sit there and say "OMG, STOLEN LAPTOP, BAD ACCURACY, RAR!!!", because it complies with your biased viewpoint.

Yep, that's exactly what I said.

Why do you have more posts in Newton threads than me this offseason? I thought I obsessed over the black QB? You and Scot have probably 1,000 more Newton related posts than me and lead the pack in the Newt discussion. Ive never expended this kind of energy that you guys have convincing us NOT TO DRAFT a player here to the Panthers. Scared much? :yikes:

I'm in most QB threads this much, it's what I like to talk about. Color doesn't matter to me. I'm in as many Clausen threads as I am Cam threads as I am Moore threads, etc

I like talking QBs