Jerry Rice: Accuracy, not race, the issue with Cam Newton

[TheRealDeal]

Thanks It makes me wonder what Luck and Gabbert would look like comparitively.

I would assume Gabbert would be about the same and Luck would fare better.

Luck still had issues which is part of the reason he returned to school.

Also, Luck's numbers SHOULD be a little more true to the tape since he wasn't facing the one on one coverages Cam was due to his pocket style of playing QB and he wasn't throwing a lot of his passes behind the LOS. When/IF Luck comes out next year and people are interested I'll do whatever I can to do write ups for him.

I've been on the record saying I think he has the tools but I think he was over hyped this year because the rest of the QBs suck. He's still the best prospect, but his legend was growing by the minute only because of how bad everyone else was. Now he's gone and we are left with sucky QBs.

[TheRealDeal]

no white americans just took it to the extreme.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[eViL jEsTeR]

cam newtons completion % last year was higher than gabberts, daltons, mallets, ponders, kaepernicks, stanzis....

Edit: Him and dalton were tied.

sweet!!!! I'd rather have dalton!!!!! Quick, somebody alert hurney, i've made my decision!!!!!

[sharkman]

I haven't gotten involved (until now) on the whole Newton thing on this board for a few reasons. It seems more and more likely he is going to be our QB one week from today. That said, I want it captured / documented on here my opinion of this guy....then I can say told you so later :)

What I haven't heard anybody talk about is this kids work ethic. I'll buy everything about him but his work ethic. Newton is such a physical specimen with all the tools to do the job, and that is part of the problem.

Everything has come easy for him. He hasn't had to put in the kind of work the HFL will require to reach his full potential. He has gotten by on talent and his physical tools alone.

Things get tough, bail out. Example: From Florida to Blinn. I believe he will be a bust for that reason and no other reason.

He never has had to work hard to be a winner. I don't expect him to start after getting #1 overall money.

Could he be the greatest QB in Carolina history? Yes. Will he be? No. Lack of work ethic will be the major factor.

Pick Marcell Dareus with the #1 or trade back with Buffalo to #3 and get Patrick Peterson or Dareus, whichever is available.

I'm 100% with Mr Scot - no QB is worth it in this draft.

[chef17]

Keeping it objective here: Did Newton and The Golden Calf of Bristol play in similar non-pro-style systems and both run a lot, or not? Because if the answer is that they did, the comparison is valid.

The throwing motion thing is a valid point, but doesn't negate the system transition question. It just means that The Golden Calf of Bristol had an additional issue that Newton doesn't.

And like I said above, we barely talk about Gabbert at all here, for positive or negative. But the bar fight was always in his profile, same as the Newton stories were.

I think people don't like the Newton/The Golden Calf of Bristol comparision because people say they are very different QBs so they should be judged different. Just my two cents

[eViL jEsTeR]

no white americans just took it to the extreme.

Really? Worse than the Germans?

[Millions]

Keeping it objective here: Did Newton and The Golden Calf of Bristol play in similar non-pro-style systems and both run a lot, or not? Because if the answer is that they did, the comparison is valid.

The throwing motion thing is a valid point, but doesn't negate the system transition question. It just means that The Golden Calf of Bristol had an additional issue that Newton doesn't.

And like I said above, we barely talk about Gabbert at all here, for positive or negative. But the bar fight was always in his profile, same as the Newton stories were.

Of course they did I cosign both points about the offenses they came from an the fact that they both made plays with there legs a lot. My point is I see Cam as a true dual threat QB being a superior passer than The Golden Calf of Bristol. Best example of A true complete dual threat QB imo is 2010-2011 Vick because he became more balanced.

I don't agree with that fight always being associated with him for the simple fact that I found out about the fight ON HERE from Sam Mills Fan I think. Not on NFL Network/ESPN where they portrayed him as squeaky clean when debating who should go number 1 overall between him and Newton. Then later on it started to be brought up by scouts but not anywhere nearly as much as Cam's past. With that said It doesn't really matter to me both issues happened, people can learn from there mistakes & mature.

[Jackofalltrades]

no white americans just took it to the extreme.

Now there is a comment rich in ignorance.

[Sch25]

Now there is a comment rich in ignorance.

Is it? I mean we didn't allow african-americans to vote, sit in the front of a bus, use the same bathrooms, eat at certain places, and the list can go on... that seems pretty extreme to me.

[ncmonzta]

How much discussion is there about Gabbert at all on this board (or in the media for that matter) compared to how much there is of Newton?

And see Chef's post above.

There's plenty of discussion about Gabbert in the Media but its about how hes the most ready ive heard no one mention or question his off the field behavior. I see chefs post theres a big difference between being arrested for and being charged and found guilty. Do you need me to explain that to you also?

[Mr. Scot]

no white americans just took it to the extreme.

Now there is a comment rich in ignorance.

Actually, I don't have a problem with that comment, given history.

I do have a problem with the notion that because there was a load of racism in the past, all of us today somehow need to be punished for what happened in the past.

(and anyone denying that attitude is out there is just as wrong as anyone denying that racism exists)

[Tarheels23]

Reading these post is like watching a bad Spike Lee movie!

[Panthro]

I haven't gotten involved (until now) on the whole Newton thing on this board for a few reasons. It seems more and more likely he is going to be our QB one week from today. That said, I want it captured / documented on here my opinion of this guy....then I can say told you so later :)

What I haven't heard anybody talk about is this kids work ethic. I'll buy everything about him but his work ethic. Newton is such a physical specimen with all the tools to do the job, and that is part of the problem.

Everything has come easy for him. He hasn't had to put in the kind of work the HFL will require to reach his full potential. He has gotten by on talent and his physical tools alone.

Things get tough, bail out. Example: From Florida to Blinn. I believe he will be a bust for that reason and no other reason.

He never has had to work hard to be a winner. I don't expect him to start after getting #1 overall money.

Could he be the greatest QB in Carolina history? Yes. Will he be? No. Lack of work ethic will be the major factor.

Pick Marcell Dareus with the #1 or trade back with Buffalo to #3 and get Patrick Peterson or Dareus, whichever is available.

I'm 100% with Mr Scot - no QB is worth it in this draft.

During winter workouts, Newton so impressed his offensive teammates in the weight room that they named him -- a quarterback -- to a five-man tug-of-war team to take on the defense. The offense won.

"For me, I really wanted to go into Auburn and earn everything that I got with the team respect, trying to be that leader on this football team," Newton said. "And I knew it was a price I had to pay."

Ziemba remembers seeing Newton over the summer. Players put a great deal of stock in how hard a teammate works when there's no coach forcing him to do it.

"He was in the rain, throwing passes on the weekend when we were at the lake," Ziemba said. "He was dragging receivers out there with him. That kind of work ethic prepared our guys to follow him."

Another take on him...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls10/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=5993420

[Jackofalltrades]

Is it? I mean we didn't allow african-americans to vote, sit in the front of a bus, use the same bathrooms, eat at certain places, and the list can go on... that seems pretty extreme to me.

We didn't gas them by the hundreds of thousands either, nor did we force them to live on their own accord.

This isn't the forum for the history of slavery, but America's version of slavery was a joke in comparison to a lot of the earlier, global examples.

Do a little research.

If you or anyone wants to resume this start a thread in the tinderbox.