Jerry Rice: Accuracy, not race, the issue with Cam Newton

[Cat'sGrowl]

And I'll restate this for the 10 millionth time.... we're not even a year removed from the worst QB play in franchise history... QB is our BIGGEST NEED.

And drafting another crappy QB is suppose to remedy the situation?

Square peg in the round hole..

[mav1234]

And I'll restate this for the 10 millionth time.... we're not even a year removed from the worst QB play in franchise history... QB is our BIGGEST NEED.

You don't draft on need alone. You draft the best pick that fits a need. Peterson, Von Miller, Dareus, Green are all way above the quarterbacks in this draft in my opinion. I would put the quarterbacks in the second tier of draft prospects personally.

DT is nearly as big a need as QB... because we have youth at quarterback that could develop. DT? Not so much. Desperately need a starter there and only have average play at the other DT position, and we don't exactly have youth that the FO feels comfortable can develop into a decent starter. Aas much as most of us hate to admit it, they do feel Clausen and Moore can be good starters in this league... And nobody but a guy with a stats website that says he'll be great has any idea about Pike.

[Panthro]

I've backed it up. I can't make you see things, all I can do is my best to explain them.

I'd really like to explain it to you if you want to hear it, so please let me know what is confusing to you or what you don't get about my posts.

So you said watch game tape. I take it you have watched all his game tape and broke it down. I can be convinced that his accuracy is an issue if you show me. Unlike you when facts are presented to me I have the ability to change my opinion and admit that I am wrong.

[DaCityKats]

Well he didn't start throwing until he was fully healed so I don't think that would happen.

Usually that happens when an injury isn't healed and you make up for it in other ways.

does fully healed = no pain?

[Mr. Scot]

Why do you have more posts in Newton threads than me this offseason? I thought I obsessed over the black QB? You and Scot have probably 1,000 more Newton related posts than me and lead the pack in the Newt discussion. Ive never expended this kind of energy that you guys have convincing us NOT TO DRAFT a player here to the Panthers. Scared much? :yikes:

No, but I'd say you are.

After all, only a coward or a dullard would try to paint legitimate concerns as racism or hate rather than trying to address them factually.

[JGib23]

A lot of you idiots think if a guy is black and plays QB and he appeals to both whites and blacks, than he's a threat and we need to pile on his character to convince people he aint real. We have to call him a thug or play up his criminal element or attack his parents credibility. Whatever it takes to defend our way of life we will. Its disgusting, its embarassing, and its created a stigma that all Panther fans have to live with. I spend most of my time offline trying to convince people this organization isnt racist and will give a black QB a chance, only to come up here see us categorize every black QB in the NFL as a thug or trouble maker or mentally slow. People are tired of these same old Jim Crow era stereotypes that fearful people cling to.

Total BS, just 2 months ago, u were on here saying Jerry Richardson would never draft a black QB and now u spend your down time trying convince people that he will!

I want us to draft Patrick Peterson because I think he is the best player and will have the most immediate impact on this team. I have doubts about Cams ability to transition from the offense he ran at Auburn to warrant a number 1 pick, does that make me a racist? Would I still be a racist if I was okay with picking Cam later in the draft if we were able to trade down? To me I don't think Cam is a can't miss prospect, Peterson in my opinion will make multiple Pro Bowls and will be a starter from day 1.

[mav1234]

Panthro, he had a thread where he broke down 3 out of 4 quarters of the national championship game. It's only one game, but it is what many of us saw from Cam for most of the season in terms of ball placement.

[blackcatgrowl]

I only bring up my past when people question it. Like I said, if you don't want to question it and just talk the content of my posts I would never mention it.

When did anyone question your past? You're the one who brought it up.

And honestly, I don't care if you were an assistant coach for the Patriots for 5 years... the poo you say is not only factually totally incorrect from time to time, but from an analytical point of view, simply ignorant more often than not. A resume isn't going to suddenly prove what you're saying is any more accurate or valid.

[Udogg]

And drafting another crappy QB is suppose to remedy the situation?

Square peg in the round hole..

And that is the root of the arguments. Some people think he sucks, Some don't. However some of us don't think waiting for the perfect QB to fall into our laps is going to work. At least not without us tanking the season (again).

[Mr. Scot]

Not just the Heisman but his play on the field throwing AND running like I've been saying he's not the finished product but what I saw along with the winning intangibles makes me think he's worth the risk. Especially if he puts in the work I feel his arm is underrated the stats show that I don't agree that he's as raw in that aspect as some do.

And that's a legitimate opinion.

My opinion's legit too. It just happens to be different.

If you can accept that with screaming racism or hate, then we're fine.

[TheRealDeal]

So you said watch game tape. I take it you have watched all his game tape and broke it down. I can be convinced that his accuracy is an issue if you show me. Unlike you when facts are presented to me I have the ability to change my opinion and admit that I am wrong.

I haven't seen every game and never claimed I did. I've seen about 7 games and have made my judgments based on that. Even if you wanted to only use stats to determine his accuracy, you could break it down by <0 yards and >0 yards and you'd see a huge difference.

If you could get a hold of a game we could break down together I'd love to do it. I don't know how to take DVD and put them on the internet, I'm not that tech savvy.

I've been trying to do this with many people just to get others opinions but no one has accepted. I did a breakdown of the NC game and not one person offered a rebuttal or their own breakdown.

If you really want to do it, I'm more than willing

[Cat'sGrowl]

I'm blown back we're only a high priced WR away from being competitive again. AJ Green is the difference between 2 and 10 wins. With the three headed monster of Clausen/"Make Love To Pressure" Moore/Pike we'll be a top the NFC South again next season. Brilliant strategy Catsgrowl.

This just like you to crumble when faced with a logical argument.

You come on here spewing nonsense and other garbage, and then typically run out of the thread you were just trolling so you don't have to face the logical fallacies in what you just said. When you finally do have the balls to enter a debate, you start grasping at straws, picking and choosing certain parts out of the opposing argument, and most notably taking things out of context because you don't like what it has to say. You resort back to ridicule and berating because you know your arguments don't hold any water when it's time to be fire-tested by the facts. They all burn to ash.

Your nothing more than an insecure, unintelligent, racist, troll.

You've become the butt of every joke here on the Huddle, and it's laughable to see you try to present yourself as some source of truth when everything you say only makes you look more and more foolish.

[Sandy Claws]

I'll take the word of a guy like Warren Moon who's actually played QB in the NFL and lived thru the experience vs. a guy like Jerry Rice who never played with one in the NFL. Respect his opinion, but he's in a dream world if he doesnt think the identity of a QB doesnt play into his perception. The QB position is basically the tool the NFL uses to market the game to certain fans. Change that dynamic, and the NFL is basically the NBA.

Do you watch Survivor on CBS?

It made me think of you Wednesday night.

[DaCityKats]

Panthro, he had a thread where he broke down 3 out of 4 quarters of the national championship game. It's only one game, but it is what many of us saw from Cam for most of the season in terms of ball placement.

even mayock will say it's about the body of work. you cant expect to see everything from 1 game tape. or make an assumption from 1 film.