To Mr. Scot and those who share his view.

[CRA]

I'm sure this has been addressed, but I'll chime in as well:

A. In all my year's of watching the draft, I've never seen another prospect like Luck, so it's hard to envision that kind of scenario when a prospect like that hasn't come along in ages.

This is what's wrong with the Cam lovers when it comes to this argument.

They view Luck and Newton on equal plains and the two just aren't, which leads me to my second point..

B. Luck is miles ahead of Newton. You guys are right. WE DO NEED A QB. The problem is that after Luck left, there was nobody of that caliber left at the position. Luck was a risk we could afford to take because his chance of success, was MUCH, MUCH higher than Cam's. Just because we want a QB, doesn't mean we should force anybody we can at the position and hope for the best...that could set us back years...

You have never seen a prospect come out college with 1 great season before to his name?

Luck and Newton are vastly different. They play different. They can still have comparable ceilings.

Luck is hyped into a can't miss prospect and there just isn't anything to support that. He isn't this once in a lifetime type QB....well, anyone could be.....there is nothing for that hype to be pimped around here.

[Highlandfire]

I want to flip the script on you to see what your true opinion is.

Here is the scenario: Panthers have the number one pick. You all seem to be in agreement that Luck would be worth the #1 pick. Here is the twist. Luck is not the BPA. There is a better ranked DT, WR, and CB. Who do you draft and why.

Analyst are split saying we should take Luck #1 while others say we should take a different prospect. Everything about the Panthers and the NFL exist as it does this very minute. Also Cam Newton does not exist in this scenario so do not even bring his name up in this thread please.

Well to answer your question does this draft take place before free agency in 93' or after?

If it is before I look at my team and my needs. I also weigh out who will make the biggest impact on my team. Then I make the pick.

If it is post 93' due to no rookie cap I go QB or trade down. There is not one other player in the NFL that will make a big enough impact to warrant the pay.

there are many things to take into consideration when making at pick at #1. Unfortunately for the Panthers they are in a bad position. There is no clear cut #1 prospect at all, there is no clear cut Payton Manning/ Sam Bradford at QB.

It is a horrible year to have a top 4 pick. So the best thing for this team is to trade down and gather more picks because there is not one clear cut player in this draft that will have a greater impact than trading down and getting more talent across the board on this team.

[TheRealDeal]

You have never seen a prospect come out college with 1 great season before to his name?

Luck and Newton are vastly different. They play different. They can still have comparable ceilings.

Luck is hyped into a can't miss prospect and there just isn't anything to support that. He isn't this once in a lifetime type QB....well, anyone could be.....there is nothing for that hype to be pimped around here.

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[SorthNarolina]

I want to flip the script on you to see what your true opinion is.

Here is the scenario: Panthers have the number one pick. You all seem to be in agreement that Luck would be worth the #1 pick. Here is the twist. Luck is not the BPA. There is a better ranked DT, WR, and CB. Who do you draft and why.

Analyst are split saying we should take Luck #1 while others say we should take a different prospect. Everything about the Panthers and the NFL exist as it does this very minute. Also Cam Newton does not exist in this scenario so do not even bring his name up in this thread please.

a potential franchise QB trumps all. The problem with Newton is he is a much bigger risk than Luck was projected to be.

[Highlandfire]

a potential franchise QB trumps all. The problem with Newton is he is a much bigger risk than Luck was projected to be.

And what makes him a bigger risk?

1. Red flags that are legit about Newtons Character. How many for Luck? None.

2. One hit wonder in the most gimmick offense in College ball for Newton.

Luck? Two seasons in a pro style offense where he did well and is going back for a 3rd year. So he has proven himself over time.

Those two are HUGE.

[thefuzz]

Any time I hear words like:

"change the way the game is played"

and

"extremely high upside"

"boom or bust"

I cringe. Just like I am doing now with Newton, and the Panthers being on the clock.

[CRA]

And what makes him a bigger risk?

1. Red flags that are legit about Newtons Character. How many for Luck? None.

2. One hit wonder in the most gimmick offense in College ball for Newton.

Luck? Two seasons in a pro style offense where he did well and is going back for a 3rd year. So he has proven himself over time.

Those two are HUGE.

I find it funny when people try to focus on that line of thought....

it was a gimmick offense b/c Cam is simply THAT good. He was a one man wrecking crew. Cam didn't play in the Pac 10...he played in the SEC, went undefeated, won the National Championship and Heisman.

The gimmick was Cam can dominate college football by himself...and he did.

[TheRealDeal]

lol

[carpanfan96]

And what makes him a bigger risk?

1. Red flags that are legit about Newtons Character. How many for Luck? None.

2. One hit wonder in the most gimmick offense in College ball for Newton.

Luck? Two seasons in a pro style offense where he did well and is going back for a 3rd year. So he has proven himself over time.

Those two are HUGE.

I understand what your saying, but Luck didn't do well both seasons.... He's really just a one year wonder right now... His Freshman season was decent or ok and that's streching it there.

[TheRealDeal]

I understand what your saying, but Luck didn't do well both seasons.... He's really just a one year wonder right now... His Freshman season was decent or ok and that's streching it there.

The point is you have two seasons of tape to evaluate him on competing at a high level.

You can track things in his progression to becoming a better QB. You can see if he worked on things and improved areas of his game.

You can hide things for a season, over two or three they come out.

[carpanfan96]

The situation is flawed bc Luck is and will be the BPA. Those that say he isn't as good as advertised or over-hyped need to actually watch him play. He's as good on the field as any QB in the last decade or more. He also has no off the field issues, he's intelligent, competitive, and a great leader. Luck is exactly what the "media" has said he is...and if we draft Newton and end up with the first overall pick again someone will pay out the butt to get him.

This question makes no sense because a). Luck was considered the BPA coming out this year b). We are making assumptions that he will not be the BPA next year even though he is already rated number 1 next year and c). In terms of be pro-ready with the capability to start right away, Luck blows Cam Newton away.

Also Luck didn't come out of no where and he showed promise and consistency both years that he has been a starter, including taking Stanford, and school with high academic standard with lesser athletes to the Orange Bowl and blew out VT.

In terms of who's a better prospect and a BPA in position of need, Luck blows any and all of the QB prospects in this class, and possibly next class away. I don't think anybody is arguing who is a better prospect between Landry Jones and Barkely and Luck. Right now Luck is at the top tier of every draft board and more than likely will be the number 1 pick next year weather you want to take off your cam hugging glasses or not.

1. Luck's freshman season wasn't that great... He barely completed 55 % of his passes and his TD - INT rate wasn't that great... Also he had an outstanding oline in both seasons and a good Running game.

As for Him being the # 1 next year. Barkley and Luck are similarly rated and some mocks and ratings have Barkley rated higher then Luck as of right now. If Luck performs like he did his Freshman season, you could see Jones jump him as well. (if Jones has a similar season to last years) Thats how close the rating is on QB's next draft.... Thats if Barkley and Jones come out though....

Once again, Luck was not a be all QB prospect... Just another highly rated one... This happens all the time...no sense on waiting for him as some have said on here.

[carpanfan96]

The point is you have two seasons of tape to evaluate him on competing at a high level.

You can track things in his progression to becoming a better QB. You can see if he worked on things and improved areas of his game.

You can hide things for a season, over two or three they come out.

The Panthers have two full seasons of tape on Newton..... One wasn't playing with the big boys up in the BCS, but it's still a full season running the pistol.

[TheRealDeal]

The Panthers have two full seasons of tape on Newton..... One wasn't playing with the big boys up in the BCS, but it's still a full season running the pistol.

None of which show things he'll need to do in the NFL

[TarPanther9180]

1. Luck's freshman season wasn't that great... He barely completed 55 % of his passes and his TD - INT rate wasn't that great... Also he had an outstanding oline in both seasons and a good Running game.

As for Him being the # 1 next year. Barkley and Luck are similarly rated and some mocks and ratings have Barkley rated higher then Luck as of right now. If Luck performs like he did his Freshman season, you could see Jones jump him as well. (if Jones has a similar season to last years) Thats how close the rating is on QB's next draft.... Thats if Barkley and Jones come out though....

Once again, Luck was not a be all QB prospect... Just another highly rated one... This happens all the time...no sense on waiting for him as some have said on here.

The main point I read here is, next year's QB class will be better than this one