To Mr. Scot and those who share his view.

[carpanfan96]

I'm not sold on Gabbert either.

And no, it's not silly. Loads of other quarterback that have busted were also considered top five talents prior to their drafts. Being highly thought of prior to the draft doesn't keep you from being a bust after.

I was basing it off the Luck love on the forum... lol

All three are highly touted QB's that have a high Draft ranking and huge upside. Luck wasn't the be all of QB's, he was just another highly rated QB. Which is what he will be next year if he declares. He has just as much of a chance to be a bust as Gabbert or Newton... Same chance to succeed, its all about knowing your team and knowing the what the player needs to succeed... End the end, you never know thats why the draft is a crapshoot.

[Mr. Scot]

I was basing it off the Luck love on the forum... lol

All three are highly touted QB's that have a high Draft ranking and huge upside. Luck wasn't the be all of QB's, he was just another highly rated QB. Which is what he will be next year if he declares. He has just as much of a chance to be a bust as Gabbert or Newton... Same chance to succeed, its all about knowing your team and knowing the what the player needs to succeed... End the end, you never know thats why the draft is a crapshoot.

To a point.

I don't really like the term "crapshoot". I think "educated guess" is better.

Some teams are better "educated" than others, but know matter what your level of education is, it's still a guess.

There's a hundred reasons why guys bust, and pretty much all of them unpredictable. You just gotta make a judgment call based on what you know (or what you think you do).

Course, the worst thing that happens to me if i make a bad call is I look bad on a message board (big deal). Guys who do this for a living put their livelihoods on the line.

[carpanfan96]

To a point.

I don't really like the term "crapshoot". I think "educated guess" is better.

Some teams are better "educated" than others, but know matter what your level of education is, it's still a guess.

There's a hundred reasons why guys bust, and pretty much all of them unpredictable. You just gotta make a judgment call based on what you know (or what you think you do).

Course, the worst thing that happens to me if i make a bad call is I look bad on a message board (big deal). Guys who do this for a living put their livelihoods on the line.

I'll go with that then, educated guess it is then.

It's almost time for teams to make really expensive guesses and I have trust in Hurney to make the right call... To my knowledge he hasn't missed on a first rounder yet. TD might be the closest to a first round miss pick and he's one of my favorite players and an absolute freak of nature when healthy.

Had fun discussing though, haven't had a chance to get on and actually post anything lately....

Hopefully I have enough time to get on the Computer on draft day and make my Panther pick recap similar to what I did last draft.

[Mr. Scot]

I'll go with that then, educated guess it is then.

It's almost time for teams to make really expensive guesses and I have trust in Hurney to make the right call... To my knowledge he hasn't missed on a first rounder yet. TD might be the closest to a first round miss pick and he's one of my favorite players and an absolute freak of nature when healthy.

Had fun discussing though, haven't had a chance to get on and actually post anything lately....

Hopefully I have enough time to get on the Computer on draft day and make my Panther pick recap similar to what I did last draft.

I'm back and forth.

I trust Hurney to make the right decision, and it's good that he's hit on first rounders to date, but then there's the old "law of averages" :lol:

I'll get behind whoever we pick even if I don't like it (got plenty of practice at that).

Good luck on draft day.

And despite all my efforts it looks like I will not be able to convince you otherwise within the next week :D

Wouldn't bet on it, but see above.

[Icege]

Analyst are split saying we should take Luck #1 while others say we should take a different prospect. Everything about the Panthers and the NFL exist as it does this very minute. Also Cam Newton does not exist in this scenario so do not even bring his name up in this thread please.

Same reason people who want Newton think he is worth the number 1 pick even though he is not the BPA. Not sure how you don't understand the idea behind the thread. If I can add something to the op to make it more clear please let me know.

But... but... in the first post, you said...

You couldn't wait five posts to blow that "THIS IS MY POINT" load, could you?

[Zod]

Honestly, I am more looking forward to the draft not to see who we select, but just so all this garbage will stop.

[twylyght]

With every Cam thread posted, my IQ takes yet another hit

With every lockout thread posted, my soul dies a little more

At this rate, in two months I'll have been reduced to a Falcons fan

[Jaxel]

This question makes no sense because a). Luck was considered the BPA coming out this year b). We are making assumptions that he will not be the BPA next year even though he is already rated number 1 next year and c). In terms of be pro-ready with the capability to start right away, Luck blows Cam Newton away.

Also Luck didn't come out of no where and he showed promise and consistency both years that he has been a starter, including taking Stanford, and school with high academic standard with lesser athletes to the Orange Bowl and blew out VT.

In terms of who's a better prospect and a BPA in position of need, Luck blows any and all of the QB prospects in this class, and possibly next class away. I don't think anybody is arguing who is a better prospect between Landry Jones and Barkely and Luck. Right now Luck is at the top tier of every draft board and more than likely will be the number 1 pick next year weather you want to take off your cam hugging glasses or not.

[MHS831]

Luck is more cerebral and accurate. He has no character concerns, other than positive ones. He is a franchise QB and will have much more experience. In addition, he made Stanford a winner.

If you only focus on Cam's upside, you probably have difficulty seeing the difference. You draft the whole player, not the highlight reel. A QB is an investment. The safe pick here is also the best player. Folks, if you really know football, this question is not even hitting the table.

[Verge]

[firstdayfan]

The situation is flawed bc Luck is and will be the BPA. Those that say he isn't as good as advertised or over-hyped need to actually watch him play. He's as good on the field as any QB in the last decade or more. He also has no off the field issues, he's intelligent, competitive, and a great leader. Luck is exactly what the "media" has said he is...and if we draft Newton and end up with the first overall pick again someone will pay out the butt to get him.

[Lumps]

Luck is more cerebral and accurate. He has no character concerns, other than positive ones. He is a franchise QB and will have much more experience. In addition, he made Stanford a winner.

If you only focus on Cam's upside, you probably have difficulty seeing the difference. You draft the whole player, not the highlight reel. A QB is an investment. The safe pick here is also the best player. Folks, if you really know football, this question is not even hitting the table.

^ exactly. Luck has more upside overall, combined in all areas. He also won't take as long to develop and could possibly contribute sooner. Cam, I am afraid is not in the same boat as Luck, hype says otherwise.

[Millions]

The situation is flawed bc Luck is and will be the BPA. Those that say he isn't as good as advertised or over-hyped need to actually watch him play. He's as good on the field as any QB in the last decade or more. He also has no off the field issues, he's intelligent, competitive, and a great leader. Luck is exactly what the "media" has said he is...and if we draft Newton and end up with the first overall pick again someone will pay out the butt to get him.

In your opinion he will be but Fact is no one truly knows if he is the player he's advertised as same goes for Newton or any other prospects. Luck could end up like Locker we just have to wait and see if that holds true or not.

I feel with our need for a QB now we have to take the one with the most talent and upside while we are in the position to do so.

[TarPanther9180]

Honestly, I am more looking forward to the draft not to see who we select, but just so all this garbage will stop.

It won't or will be replaced by a bunch of "I told you so" and "what now haters?" threads.