To Mr. Scot and those who share his view.

[Eazy-E]

If this is about next years draft, then Luck isn't even the Consensus # 1 pick / best QB in the draft anymore.

I clearly state we are talking about the panthers as we stand right now. Not the panthers of next year.

[mav1234]

Like I said I thought you guys would get the point but instead people keep making excuses. If I have to state that Luck = Newton just flip flop the two then I will. It seems that most people on here want a QB, WR, DT, or CB with the #1 pick. That is why I only referenced those 4.

...if Luck wasn't the consensus #1 pick, I wouldn't necessarily want to draft him.

[Eazy-E]

Yep. Pretty easy question. The answer to this year's situation isn't any different just because you throw another name in.

If Luck were not the BPA at a position of need, we should take the guy who is. It ain't rocket science.

So your final answer is if you have the number 1 pick and your teams needs a quarterback you still draft based on BPA. Even when there is a QB that is supposed to be very good? Maybe it is just me but I still cannot figure you out.

Edit: Or those with your same opinion for that matter.

[Ruff]

Circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works because circular logic works?

(Referring to these God awful Cam threads)

[Mr. Scot]

Like I said I thought you guys would get the point but instead people keep making excuses. If I have to state that Luck = Newton just flip flop the two then I will. It seems that most people on here want a QB, WR, DT, or CB with the #1 pick. That is why I only referenced those 4.

Those are perceived to be the positions of need right now.

See, if you were to ask me who the actual "best player available" is right now, I'd say it very well could be A J Green. However, I'm not in favor of drafting A J Green in our current situation because we already have three young receivers and if we were to draft Green (and presumably punt Smith) we'd have four.

Regardless of talent, that's not a good situation.

You don't take the absolute BPA if he plays a position where you're either stacked or have a lot of young prospects already unless there's no one of similar grade available at another position of need. But in this draft, there is.

Again, it's just logic. No hate required.

[Eazy-E]

Those are perceived to be the positions of need right now.

See, if you were to ask me who the actual "best player available" is right now, I'd say it very well could be A J Green. However, I'm not in favor of drafting A J Green in our current situation because we already have three young receivers and if we were to draft Green (and presumably punt Smith) we'd have four.

Regardless of talent, that's not a good situation.

You don't take the absolute BPA if he plays a position where you're either stacked or have a lot of young prospects already unless there's no one of similar grade available at another position of need. But in this draft, there is.

Again, it's just logic. No hate required.

Keep beating around the bush. You still have not answered my question.

[Actionman0z]

To compare Newton and Luck is already not a sound argument... looking at their individual background... and what offense they've ran. I would not argue that Newton may have a higher celing than luck or any other player since Vick and VY... but at this point.. he needs to make an impact if taken at #1, and he wont make ENOUGH of an impact next year to be taken at #1.

[teeray]

...if Luck wasn't the consensus #1 pick, I wouldn't necessarily want to draft him.

Look at all the mocks right now. Cam is the consensus #1 pick. Or do you mean consensus #1 overall?? I am just being a d*ck you don't have to answer that ;)

[carpanfan96]

Its not always about BPA / or the general consensus BPA, its always about who the team likes at that spot and who best fits the need of said team. So BPA at DT Vs a top 5-10 ranked QB, most times that QB will win out because the QB spot is so important on the field and as the face of the franchise.

Its why when your faced with the situation you take the chance on the QB.

As for the bust rate, QB's and DT's have the same bust rate for the most part, while WR and CB bust rates are also fairly high.

You don't look at past draft history for QB's or other positions, you take the player you like the most as a team that fits a need.

It just so Happens that the Panthers need a QB as much if not more then they need a DT. So Darues and Peterson being top 2 players means less then it would if the Panthers didn't need a QB. So in the Panthers situation a top 5-10 rated QB wins out over the other positions.

When you also add in the fact that its going to take a lot to get either Palmer or Kolb (both aren't that great an option long term in my opinion anyways) and that the FA market for QB's is horrible then that adds even more stock to the top rated QBs in this draft.

So in this instance no matter what the QB's name is, he will most likely win out over the other positions based off of need and importance.

[Eazy-E]

Thank you for actually answering my original question.

Its not always about BPA / or the general consensus BPA, its always about who the team likes at that spot and who best fits the need of said team. So BPA at DT Vs a top 5-10 ranked QB, most times that QB will win out because the QB spot is so important on the field and as the face of the franchise.

Its why when your faced with the situation you take the chance on the QB.

As for the bust rate, QB's and DT's have the same bust rate for the most part, while WR and CB bust rates are also fairly high.

You don't look at past draft history for QB's or other positions, you take the player you like the most as a team that fits a need.

It just so Happens that the Panthers need a QB as much if not more then they need a DT. So Darues and Peterson being top 2 players means less then it would if the Panthers didn't need a QB. So in the Panthers situation a top 5-10 rated QB wins out over the other positions.

When you also add in the fact that its going to take a lot to get either Palmer or Kolb (both aren't that great an option long term in my opinion anyways) and that the FA market for QB's is horrible then that adds even more stock to the top rated QBs in this draft.

So in this instance no matter what the QB's name is, he will most likely win out over the other positions based off of need and importance.

[Eazy-E]

To compare Newton and Luck is already not a sound argument... looking at their individual background... and what offense they've ran. I would not argue that Newton may have a higher celing than luck or any other player since Vick and VY... but at this point.. he needs to make an impact if taken at #1, and he wont make ENOUGH of an impact next year to be taken at #1.

Next time read the OP. I never compared Newton to luck. I also asked to please leave Cam Newton out of this.

[Mr. Scot]

Keep beating around the bush. You still have not answered my question.

Actually I have, and Mav did, but I'll give you another.

So your final answer is if you have the number 1 pick and your teams needs a quarterback you still draft based on BPA. Even when there is a QB that is supposed to be very good? Maybe it is just me but I still cannot figure you out.

Edit: Or those with your same opinion for that matter.

Look at it this way...

In the 1994 Draft, the best quarterback available was considered to be Heath Shuler. Also available in that draft, defensive tackle Bryant Young. Not one of the best of all time, but still a great player (made for a winning tandem with Dana Stubblefield in San Fran).

Now, if you're GM for a team that had need at both positions, which guy do you take?

Based on the logic of "gotta take a potential franchise QB", Shuler would be the guy. But with the benefit of hindsight, we can now see that would have been a pretty big mistake.

That's how we view this year's draft.

[Tarheels23]

I want to flip the script on you to see what your true opinion is.

Here is the scenario: Panthers have the number one pick. You all seem to be in agreement that Luck would be worth the #1 pick. Here is the twist. Luck is not the BPA. There is a better ranked DT, WR, and CB. Who do you draft and why.

Analyst are split saying we should take Luck #1 while others say we should take a different prospect. Everything about the Panthers and the NFL exist as it does this very minute. Also Cam Newton does not exist in this scenario so do not even bring his name up in this thread please.

[Eazy-E]

I am amazed that you still have not answered the question. Is it because if you answer it truthfully and your answer is I would draft Luck, then you would be in the same shoes as the ones who want to draft Newton?

Look at it this way...

In the 1994 Draft, the best quarterback available was considered to be Heath Shuler. Also available in that draft, defensive tackle Bryant Young. Not one of the best of all time, but still a great player (made for a winning tandem with Dana Stubblefield in San Fran).

Now, if you're GM for a team that had need at both positions, which guy do you take?

Based on the logic of "gotta take a potential franchise QB", Shuler would be the guy. But with the benefit of hindsight, we can now see that would have been a pretty big mistake.

That's how we view this year's draft.