Gruden vs King (Part II)

[mav1234]

Is the credibility of the show actually tied in to whether or not Gruden can develop quarterbacks, or is that irrelevant?

It's irrelevant. Gruden's job isn't to develop them. Calling it a QB camp is misleading. We don't get to see any real development from them.

It's more like "Gruden's QB Sit Down"

[Mr. Scot]

While I'm thinking of it, JOAT, can I prevail on you to lock the first thread?

[mav1234]

That may just cause that argument to move here, heh.

[TheRealDeal]

I think when he makes a statement like we should draft Newton, you bring his credibility into the picture and then just laugh at him.

[Mr. Scot]

That may just cause that argument to move here, heh.

Hope not.

[Mr. Scot]

It's irrelevant. Gruden's job isn't to develop them. Calling it a QB camp is misleading. We don't get to see any real development from them.

It's more like "Gruden's QB Sit Down"

Valid question.

is he really even evaluating?

Heck, it's not even limited to quarterbacks. Gruden's certainly not known for being a defensive tackle guru.

[mav1234]

At times he is evaluating. Some of his comments are obviously designed to 'try to help' the guys. Other times he looks like he's just chatting.

I felt like he was trying to convince Locker to be more careful, but I never got the sense he was doing much other than chatting about the NFL with Newton.

When I watched that short Gabbert clip, I certainly felt like he was evaluating Gabbert. But without seeing the whole thing and the context, it's hard to say.

[Mr. Scot]

He does actually attempt to do a certain amount of coaching with these kids, though his time with them is so short that "developing" would be a reach.

[psyburn21]

If I remember, wasn't Gruden the QB coach in Green Bay when Brett Farve first got there. Its not to say that he was the sole reason for Brett Farve becoming the QB he did, but he was part of it.

He even said it himself, if he was such a great coach then he would still be coaching. But it doesn't mean he doesn't know the position.

[chef17]

Gonna expand on my post from the last thread. I don't think it matters whether Gruden personally can devleop QBs. I haven't seen any full episode, I saw part of the Cam and Gabbert one. A big part of what he is doing (IMO) is seeing what they already know. Such as the chalk talk, he is asking the QBs about the play and the progressions they made, he isn't really developing them.

In addition, he was a head coach so he has worked with QBs. He knows some drills that the QBs may face in the NFL. You can't discredit that part.

[Mr. Scot]

If you have ESPN2, you can catch the full programs for Fairley and Gabbert here in just over five minutes.

[Tarheels23]

I think when he makes a statement like we should draft Newton, you bring his credibility into the picture and then just laugh at him.

Kind of like we do when you mention Matt Moore!

[TheRealDeal]

Bazinga

[nagai]

Yeah, Gruden wasn't that good with QB's and he was even worse with the draft. I have heard him described as the Paula Abdul of the NFL - he just loves everyone, but that makes him blind. He sees strengths, sees weaknesses, but he then thinks that all these weaknesses can be fixed, so he always goes for upside. Fuzzy logic imo. Now, does this change the value of the show? I don't think so. The show's an opportunity for us to see what these guys are like in the film room, it's not necessarily for us to mirror what Gruden thinks.