Pep Tagged

[stankowalski]

If my company wanted to make me the highest paid person in the world at what I do, and then I basically told them to shove it because they weren't putting me in a position to maximize my potential and then left...I would expect for there to be some hard feelings from people associated with the organization.

Pep isn't telling the Panthers organization to "shove it", and he isn't telling the fans to "shove it". You people want to put your own spin on it and make Pep out to be the bad guy here. The fact is that Pep said he doesn't feel he is able to reach his potential here (not "shove it") and he would like a chance to play elsewhere (again, not telling anyone to "shove it"). Sometimes you just have to take the emotional side out of it and look at it objectively, which most people here can't seem to be able to do. He wants out. Bye bye. I'm not going to beg him to stay and I'm not going to get all bitchy and whiny because he doesn't want to stay.

[pnthrs]

Pep isn't telling the Panthers organization to "shove it", and he isn't telling the fans to "shove it". You people want to put your own spin on it and make Pep out to be the bad guy here. The fact is that Pep said he doesn't feel he is able to reach his potential here (not "shove it") and he would like a chance to play elsewhere (again, not telling anyone to "shove it"). Sometimes you just have to take the emotional side out of it and look at it objectively, which most people here can't seem to be able to do. He wants out. Bye bye. I'm not going to beg him to stay and I'm not going to get all bitchy and whiny because he doesn't want to stay.

Yet you whine about people whining? Everyone has their outlet!

[stankowalski]

Yet you whine about people whining? Everyone has their outlet!

[carpanfan96]

Pep isn't telling the Panthers organization to "shove it", and he isn't telling the fans to "shove it". You people want to put your own spin on it and make Pep out to be the bad guy here. The fact is that Pep said he doesn't feel he is able to reach his potential here (not "shove it") and he would like a chance to play elsewhere (again, not telling anyone to "shove it"). Sometimes you just have to take the emotional side out of it and look at it objectively, which most people here can't seem to be able to do. He wants out. Bye bye. I'm not going to beg him to stay and I'm not going to get all bitchy and whiny because he doesn't want to stay.

I'm not mad at peppers for wanting out or anything along those lines. I just wish he wouldn't have made it has public as he did. That's his choice, him and his agents game plan. If that's the way he wants this situation handled, then I would tell him to go for it and get screwed. Hurney is playing hardball back with peppers and pep's statements being public have done nothing but hurt peppers and the panthers. Hurney's fixed the panthers part of the equation by saying we weren't thinking about trading him at the moment.

All that said, bye Peppers. Have a nice career. Make sure to not let the door hit you on the way out. Hello Draft picks.

[carpanfan96]

Take what I say here with /grainofsalt.

Speaking recently with a friend of mine who played for and still has a good relationship with Pep's high school coach, he informed me that the coach told Pep at the beginning of the year (Based on his previous year's performance) that he was playing like garbage and he needed to shape up (Appairently Pep still has close ties with his HS coach and respects his opinion) Well with all the recent goings on and the statement released by Carey, the coach once again spoke with him, and basically told him that the system isn't what's holding him back, it's Pep thats holding Pep back, and that he needed to just try harder, to which Pep basically said "I don't want to anymore."

IF what I just posted is to be believed (I don't think its very far outside the realm of possibility) It tells me Pep wants big money for little effort, it has nothing to do with becoming an "elite" player as he put it, it has to do with him not wanting to work as hard and be put into a situation/system that'll get him the money he wants and to put in the least amount of effort.

Honestly, Pep is a freak athlete, but he's dumb as a post, so he does whatever his agent tells him to do. Do I wish the Panther's could keep him? yes, if he'd live up to his true potential, realize he has to work at it and bring it every single game. But if he really wants a system that'll let him get his stats and not have to work as hard for it, more power to him, let him get his stats, The Panthers will enjoy a championship without him.

As stated, /grainofsalt.

-DP

That's an interesting take on this and it wouldn't surprise me that he doesn't want to try anymore. Giving his problematic past while he was at UNC.

[panthers55]

There may be some validity to the argument that he has to work too hard for his sacks in our system. Think about it. He is the focus of other team's gameplanning on defense and is frequently double-teamed.

Most of the time OLBs aren't on the line of scrimmage and almost never get double teams. So he is right in saying that if he were an OLB, he could likely get a sack a game and a half dozen tackles with much less effort than he puts in now. Sure he would have to cover and run more than now, but what I think he is saying is that it takes lots of effort to get his stats having to regularly beat 2 guys on every play. Players on other teams in other positions seem to get as much production with much less work.

Is it true? I don't know but it appears that he thinks so.

[mantal]

I'd agree except half the criticizing threads on here have been that he wasn't double teamed all that much the last couple of years. I don't know that for sure myself, I haven't researched it personally, but that is what has been put forth here, true or not...

[BlueHose]

There may be some validity to the argument that he has to work too hard for his sacks in our system. Think about it. He is the focus of other team's gameplanning on defense and is frequently double-teamed.

Most of the time OLBs aren't on the line of scrimmage and almost never get double teams. So he is right in saying that if he were an OLB, he could likely get a sack a game and a half dozen tackles with much less effort than he puts in now. Sure he would have to cover and run more than now, but what I think he is saying is that it takes lots of effort to get his stats having to regularly beat 2 guys on every play. Players on other teams in other positions seem to get as much production with much less work.

Is it true? I don't know but it appears that he thinks so.

So what if that is true? Do you just play the game for stats? If you do, then I don't want you anyway.

[carpanfan96]

So what if that is true? Do you just play the game for stats? If you do, then I don't want you anyway.

agreed. imo QB rushes, hurries and hits are just as important together as sacks are in regards to elite pass rushers. Those stats usually equal effort.

[grateflday]

I'd agree except half the criticizing threads on here have been that he wasn't double teamed all that much the last couple of years. I don't know that for sure myself, I haven't researched it personally, but that is what has been put forth here, true or not...

Pep was not double teamed all that much the last couple of years. I would focus on him during games at the stadium and you can see it easly then. It was harder to see on tv with the away games.

It is this kind of stuff that will make it interesting to see what the Panthers can get in a trade for him.

[FrostyOne]

Bravo! Nice work Hurney, there is hope for you yet.

[mantal]

Pep was not double teamed all that much the last couple of years. I would focus on him during games at the stadium and you can see it easly then. It was harder to see on tv with the away games.

It is this kind of stuff that will make it interesting to see what the Panthers can get in a trade for him.

This year he had a pretty good year, so they probably should have doubled him. Last year, I give him a slide because I buy into the sick excuse, (the source was credible, IMO). I agree, it's less likely to be seen on TV and last year I didn't attend many games for the first time due to job/distance issues. Anyway, he's most likely gone so I agree, let's see what we get...

[carpanfan96]

I'm not 100% certain, but i dont think we have to work out the cap numbers until a certain date in the off-season. i think it is after the draft. hopefully we will have gotten rid of him before then, so we dont have to make any unnessiscary cuts.

That first date is on the 27th of this month, so expect some major cuts & restructuring to be done.

[Mr. Scot]

Take what I say here with /grainofsalt.

Speaking recently with a friend of mine who played for and still has a good relationship with Pep's high school coach, he informed me that the coach told Pep at the beginning of the year (Based on his previous year's performance) that he was playing like garbage and he needed to shape up (Appairently Pep still has close ties with his HS coach and respects his opinion) Well with all the recent goings on and the statement released by Carey, the coach once again spoke with him, and basically told him that the system isn't what's holding him back, it's Pep thats holding Pep back, and that he needed to just try harder, to which Pep basically said "I don't want to anymore."

IF what I just posted is to be believed (I don't think its very far outside the realm of possibility) It tells me Pep wants big money for little effort, it has nothing to do with becoming an "elite" player as he put it, it has to do with him not wanting to work as hard and be put into a situation/system that'll get him the money he wants and to put in the least amount of effort.

Honestly, Pep is a freak athlete, but he's dumb as a post, so he does whatever his agent tells him to do. Do I wish the Panther's could keep him? yes, if he'd live up to his true potential, realize he has to work at it and bring it every single game. But if he really wants a system that'll let him get his stats and not have to work as hard for it, more power to him, let him get his stats, The Panthers will enjoy a championship without him.

As stated, /grainofsalt.

-DP

Believable, and interesting.

When I looked at the (alleged) teams that were on his list, one of the things that jumped out to me was that they all either had an existing defensive star or an overall solid defense. The benefit of these things being less pressure on him to be a focal point.

If true, this all fits together.