Gruden vs King

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

He blames Gruden for giving him the only good years of his career? Weird!!!!!

[Mr. Scot]

Did Shaun King actually have "good years"?

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Sorry his better years.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Exactly - in one of his sit downs he says he doesn't much like young QBs, in a jesting way, but it's clear he likes the older guys.

Right, and I totally believe that to be the case, and the better arrangement for both parties involved. A lot of quarterbacks for him seem to have their best season's under his watch, but the young guys tail off after the first year or several starts. Gannon and Garcia had career resurgences with him. While Simms, Gradowski, and King flashed early (with Simms and King making the playoffs) but they tailed off fairly quickly.

I would guess he's sort of an NFL Larry Brown that understands the game of a high level, but is very demanding and wants a lot out of players. Veterans can take it, not all young players can.

All that being said, I don't know where that places his ability to evaluate a QB's pure abilities. None of the guys Tampa drafted turned into much in this league, so I imagine his eyes for spotting talented QB's aren't off the charts great, as he would've had some input into who they got.

[Mr. Scot]

Exactly - in one of his sit downs he says he doesn't much like young QBs, in a jesting way, but it's clear he likes the older guys.

You could make a pretty good argument that he didn't like any quarterbacks since he was constantly looking for a new one.

Funny when you flip it over to his commentating years where his rep has become that of a guy who never has anything bad to say about quarterbacks.

Will the real Chucky please stand up? :lol:

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Good job you understand the thread. I personally don't think it affects his credibility because Gruden isn't developing the quarterback. He has them break down plays (which he seems good at) and go through passing drills like they will on an NFL team.

Right and that is entirely true, but I'm just saying it's a bit hard to break-up the two. All we have to go on is the quarterbacks he worked with and their results. I'm sure that he had some input into getting guys like Josh Johnson, Shaun King, Chris Simms(I think), and Gradowski. And none of them had a lot of run in this league once they left there (not that greatness should have been expected). Which leads me to believe he's probably not a quarterback genius.

I don't know. On further review, it's just a really weird track record for a coach to be there that long and have so many mixed results and bodies thrown in at the position.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Is it just me, or has BlackCatGrowl gotten even more annoying than KT lately (Or even Sam Mills Fan, but not quite Not Awesomeness yet)

[Mr. Scot]

Right and that is entirely true, but I'm just saying it's a bit hard to break-up the two. All we have to go on is the quarterbacks he worked with and their results. I'm sure that he had some input into getting guys like Josh Johnson, Shaun King, Chris Simms(I think), and Gradowski. And none of them had a lot of run in this league once they left there (not that greatness should have been expected). Which leads me to believe he's probably not a quarterback genius.

I don't know. On further review, it's just a really weird track record for a coach to be there that long and have so many mixed results and bodies thrown in at the position.

Gruden and his GMs kind of took a "lottery mentality" when it came to the quarterback position.

"This guy's not the guy? Get someone else! Maybe he'll be the guy!"

That's a pretty common attitude among fans, mind you. When a coach or GM thinks that way, it's bad.

In real life, working to make the best of what you have is smarter than hoping you just bought the winning lottery ticket. That's true in football, too.

[Marguide]

Back on track (although it's kind of like screaming into the wind), Gruden is a fun guy to watch interacting with the various prospects. He's a bit full of himself, but so are the guys he's evaluating.

It's also clear that he likes to try to shake them up a bit. It probably gives us a bit of insight into what they go through in the interview process.

And yes, I do like to hear his opinion after working with the guys. His opinion is at least an educated one, unlike some of the crap we see tossed around here.

[Mr. Scot]

Back on track (although it's kind of like screaming into the wind), Gruden is a fun guy to watch interacting with the various prospects. He's a bit full of himself, but so are the guys he's evaluating.

It's also clear that he likes to try to shake them up a bit. It probably gives us a bit of insight into what they go through in the interview process.

And yes, I do like to hear his opinion after working with the guys. His opinion is at least an educated one, unlike some of the crap we see tossed around here.

Lots of coaches and GMs like to see if they can rattle guys during the interview process. Rationale being that if they get rattled now...well, you get the idea.

I admit to doing that a time or two when I've worked in management. I think Gruden enjoys it way more than I did, though.

[Marguide]

Lots of coaches and GMs like to see if they can rattle guys during the interview process. Rationale being that if they get rattled now...well, you get the idea.

I admit to doing that a time or two when I've worked in management.

I would like to think all GM's do this, especially for projected high draft picks.

And you could tell they were intimidated a bit. I thought both Gabbert and Newton looked a bit pissed when Gruden began to talk about some of the negative things said about them. Mallet, not so much.

Anyway, people just need to remember it is entertainment. GM's aren't making decisions based on his QB camp, in spite of some saying he was responsible for JC's fall last year.

[Mr. Scot]

I would like to think all GM's do this, especially for projected high draft picks.

And you could tell they were intimidated a bit. I thought both Gabbert and Newton looked a bit pissed when Gruden began to talk about some of the negative things said about them. Mallet, not so much.

Anyway, people just need to remember it is entertainment. GM's aren't making decisions based on his QB camp, in spite of some saying he was responsible for JC's fall last year.

Worth remembering that some of the people saying that work for ESPN.

Mallett's kind of already proven that 'grace under pressure' isn't really his strong suit (combine presser). Pretty sure Newton would love to have a do over on that moment of "ummm". Gabbert definitely looked unhappy too. Unclear to me if he was unhappy with Gruden or himself (would it matter?)

And yeah, it's for fans, not GMs.

[teeray]

Neither has Parcells but everyone refers to his stupid formula

[mav1234]

Neither has Parcells but everyone refers to his stupid formula

Simms (because IMO Simms was nothing until late in his career after he'd been with Parcells for a bit) and Bledsoe I think... could be wrong tho.