Gruden vs King

[mr beauxjangles]

falcons fans, bucs fans, saints fans - hell, every random visitor to this site - must be laughing their asses off at this forum right now.

all the regular members...it's just another day.

:thumbsup:

[Mr. Scot]

But there is plenty of room on the opposite side of that fence as well. many who actually work for the league, perhaps even Marty Hurney.

So, we both have valid opinions. No?

Yes, and I've never disputed that.

Saying I think you're wrong isn't the same as saying your opinion is biased or illegitimate.

[blackcatgrowl]

falcons fans, bucs fans, saints fans - hell, every random visitor to this site - must be laughing their asses off at this forum right now.

all the regular members...it's just another day.

:thumbsup:

I was on a broncos forum earlier today just to get an idea of what they think of John Fox. Amazingly the topics are similar to this board. The responses are similar too. There does seem to be less trolling.

[teeray]

ThePokerDB can link one name to all accounts and tell us how much you've won in total, not just how much you have in there. PocketFives used to but I'm not sure if it does anymore.

There are similar sites for sports betting.

It's cool man I was just asking. It's not like if you tell us your name we can hack your account. The Govt already did that.

LOL. Hopefully not but they did shut us down from playing at several websites with the indictment that came down a few days ago. Some are still letting us play for now. :(

[mav1234]

I feel dirty posting images now. Thanks, Tee and Verge :P

[teeray]

Yes, and I've never disputed that.

Saying I think you're wrong isn't the same as saying your opinion is biased or illegitimate.

You said I was biased in this very thread :lol:

Which is cool. I don't mind that. I have an opinion that I defend vigorously as do you. Mine is well thought out and constructed and many people agree with me as is yours.

[Mr. Scot]

Please find one instance of me calling you a racist.

Now who's being the paranoid one?

Or maybe you're just projecting something?

My default response to the "football reasons" is... GIVE SOME PROOF BESIDES YOUR SLANTED OPINION. No one has done that yet.

Again, where did I talk about race in this thread... where did ANYONE talk about race here? wtf are you talking about?

You can "hate" someone without their race being a factor. Maybe you hate Newton for the off-field allegations leveled at him. Or maybe you hate him because you are a Crimson Tide fan. Or maybe you hate him because you don't like Auburn. Or maybe you hate him because you like Matt Moore better?

IDK WHY you are against him. But the "football reasons" aren't flying anymore. Everything that's ever been brought up against him for "football reasons" is either extremely minor, or he's gone great lengths, already, as an undrafted agent, to correct or has proven are not a factor.

Your constant throwing back to saying "race" as a motivating critisism of your stand against him really speaks a lot to me. Your ridiculous "race quiz" shows some sort of serious problem with your thinking on this subject. I really think you need to check yourself in this department.

Or maybe I don't hate him at all :rolleyes:

Maybe I think what I've seen of his skill set won't translate to the pros.

Maybe I think that the transition from the simplistic offense he ran to one that's as complicated as ours is going to be will take too long.

Maybe I think that we've already got enough young quarterback prospects and we'd be wiser to use our top pick on a different area of need and sign a veteran quarterback instead.

Maybe I have too many questions abut whether he's going to be good enough in the pros to feel confident about taking him with the #1 overall pick in the draft.

Maybe I think the quarterback crop next year will have more and better choices than this year's.

Maybe I think the things I've just written out apply to all the quarterback prospects, not just Cam Newton.

And maybe, just maybe, those things reflect, partially or fully, what several other members of the "anti QB" crowd think.

No...hate...required.

Maybe some of you guys who keep throwing the accusations around can try wrapping your heads around those ideas rather than just name-calling, and perhaps then we could actually have a substantive discussion :nonod:

[Mr. Scot]

24 hours and 7 pages later, this bullpoo is still going on. Ridiculous.

Tell me about it :nonod:

[chef17]

You said I was biased in this very thread :lol:

Which is cool. I don't mind that. I have an opinion that I defend vigorously as do you. Mine is well thought out and constructed and many people agree with me.

Those people are just your alter egos :D

[Mr. Scot]

You said I was biased in this very thread :lol:

Which is cool. I don't mind that. I have an opinion that I defend vigorously as do you. Mine is well thought out and constructed and many people agree with me.

So's mine :D

Difference is that mine is right. Yours is wrong :cool:

[chef17]

So's mine :D

Difference is that mine is right. Yours is wrong :cool:

Sorry teeray but I agree with my alter :p

[blackcatgrowl]

Or maybe I don't hate him at all :rolleyes:

Maybe I think what I've seen of his skill set won't translate to the pros.

Maybe I think that the transition from the simplistic offense he ran to one that's as complicated as ours is going to be will take too long.

Maybe I think that we've already got enough young quarterback prospects and we'd be wiser to use our top pick on a different area of need and sign a veteran quarterback instead.

Maybe I have too many questions abut whether he's going to be good enough in the pros to feel confident about taking him with the #1 overall pick in the draft.

Maybe I think the quarterback crop next year will have more and better choices than this year's.

Maybe I think the things I've just written out apply to all the quarterback prospects, not just Cam Newton.

And maybe, just maybe, those things reflect, partially or fully, what several other members of the "anti QB" crowd think.

No...hate...required.

Maybe some of you guys who keep throwing the accusations around can try wrapping your heads around those ideas rather than just name-calling, and perhaps then we could actually have a substantive discussion :nonod:

Ok... all that... ALL OF IT... has no basis in REAL "football reasons". It is all fear.

You fear he can't throw the ball as well as he can run it.

You fear he's too stupid to learn a complex offense.

You fear he won't be worth the investment.

And all these things, all of them... he's actually gone to length to work on or prove false.

FEAR bro... is often a sign of hate.

[Jackofalltrades]

Fear is a sign of hate?

Lmao, I learn something here every day.

[Mr. Scot]

Ok... all that... ALL OF IT... has no basis in REAL "football reasons". It is all fear.

You fear he can't throw the ball as well as he can run it.

You fear he's too stupid to learn a complex offense.

You fear he won't be worth the investment.

And all these things, all of them... he's actually gone to length to work on or prove false.

FEAR bro... is often a sign of hate.

So I give you football reasons, and rather than actually address them, you redefine them as "hate".

And you also neglect the fact that these concerns apply to all the prospects, not just one.

In other words, doing exactly what I said you would do.

Congrats man. You just lost this debate big time :nonod: