Gruden vs King

[TylerVagyler]

Maybe thats because both stories came out the same day. Ever thought of that one? Should he have waited until tomorrow to post it? Can we have 1 discussion without Cam? I have been against choosing a side, and I will continue to do so, but enough is enough.

Do you really think this thread could have gone without a Cam comment? Especially considering what Gruden had said about him earlier today?

[Dpantherman]

No, because of posters like you. As I said earlier, every thread has to have a Cam reference. Every fuging one. And on that note, Im out.

[Mr. Scot]

Hes very good at it.

I never play that card, but I have seen it. And in my opinion, they didn't get your best side when they took the pic for it.

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[Mr. Scot]

GOOD ONE!!

But come on man, you know my original comment is true. This thread was started literally hours after a separate thread which had a report of Gruden suggesting that we take Cam.

Why did I have to mention Cam? Why not? He is the player who appears to be on the top of our board. He was featured on Gruden's Camp. As said above, there was a thread early today regarding Gruden's opinion on Cam.

The people who are against drafting Cam will run with this as proof that Gruden isn't credible and there is still no good reason to pick Cam.

The people for drafting Cam will say this article is dumb and we should listen to Gruden

anyways.

Just don't act like you didn't know what you were doing when you started this thread.

I know what I was doing. Pretty clear you don't :nonod:

Try to wrap your head around a few things here, genius.

- The opening post asks a question. It does not make a statement. That's how I prefer to post threads.

- Do you know what my opinion is regarding whether Gruden's QB camp is a credible program or not? If so, tell me where I posted it.

- I do have an opinion on the credibility of the program, and whether this affects it, but I haven't said it yet. Hint: It might not be what you think.

And here's a biggie: The segment of Gruden's QB Camp that's been posted about Newton made him look bad, so if I'm posting with a "bash Newton" agenda, then praytell why would I want to lessen the credibility of a program that made him look like he wasn't ready? :sosp:

Believe it or not, the world does not revolve around Cam Newton. Well, at least mine doesn't. Some of you guys are starting to make me wonder.

It actually is possible to have discussions that have nothing whatsoever to do with Newton. This one was meant to be, but now that's ruined :frown2:

Bottom Line: Not all of us base our opinions about the qualifications of particular analysts on whether or not they like the same guys we do.

[TylerVagyler]

I know what I was doing. Pretty clear you don't :nonod:

Try to wrap your head around a few things here, genius.

- The opening post asks a question. It does not make a statement. That's how I prefer to post threads.

- Do you know what my opinion is regarding whether Gruden's QB camp is a credible program or not? If so, tell me where I posted it.

And here's a biggie: The segment of Gruden's QB Camp that's been posted about Newton made him look bad, so if I'm posting with a "bash Newton" agenda, then praytell why would I want to lessen the credibility of a program that made him look like he wasn't ready?

The world does not revolve around Cam Newton guys. At least mine doesn't. Believe it or not, it is possible to have discussions that have nothing whatsoever to do with Newton.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying and that's my fault, I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean that you were trying to discredit Gruden.

What I meant was, with this coming out just hours after the other report of Gruden's opinion, you should have known that this topic would come up. To be surprised that Newton would be apart of the conversion is ridiculous to me.

Guy A comes out and says we should take him. The same day Guy B says Guy A isn't credible. It's pretty simple how the two stories are relevant.

[TheRed]

I don't think this even matters. This guy sounds like he's seeking attention.

We all should know Gruden is no qb evaluater phenomenon. It's just a tv segment. Personally I like watching him as a football analyst. Doesn't mean i got amnesia regarding his coaching history.

[ncmonzta]

I know what I was doing. Pretty clear you don't :nonod:

Try to wrap your head around a few things here, genius.

- The opening post asks a question. It does not make a statement. That's how I prefer to post threads.

- Do you know what my opinion is regarding whether Gruden's QB camp is a credible program or not? If so, tell me where I posted it.

- I do have an opinion on the credibility of the program, and whether this affects it, but I haven't said it yet. Hint: It might not be what you think.

And here's a biggie: The segment of Gruden's QB Camp that's been posted about Newton made him look bad, so if I'm posting with a "bash Newton" agenda, then praytell why would I want to lessen the credibility of a program that made him look like he wasn't ready? :sosp:

Believe it or not, the world does not revolve around Cam Newton. Well, at least mine doesn't. Some of you guys are starting to make me wonder.

It actually is possible to have discussions that have nothing whatsoever to do with Newton. This one was meant to be, but now that's ruined :frown2:

So the day after the QB camp with Newton special aired there are articles about grudens QB credibility. Where was this article last year? You just so happened to be the one to find it,lol. Youre the best at finding things the somehow connect to Newton. Even your fellow haters are tired of your bait games. You might have some football knowledge or just love search engines who knows or cares but what i get is that you're just damn near senile and bored. That segment didnt make Cam look bad at all we already knew he ran a no huddle offense and we didnt here him complaining about Newton on the chalkboard or when he threw the ball. I dont take you serious at all and I hope others are smart enough to see thru your simple mind games

[Mr. Scot]

I think you misunderstood what I was saying and that's my fault, I wasn't very clear. I didn't mean that you were trying to discredit Gruden.

What I meant was, with this coming out just hours after the other report of Gruden's opinion, you should have known that this topic would come up. To be surprised that Newton would be apart of the conversion is ridiculous to me.

Not to me. I neither expect nor require that Cam Newton be part of every discussion.

This thread was written about two people: Jon Gruden and Shaun King. That's who I'd expect to be discussed. The only other natural entries would be other quarterbacks that Gruden had coached because those would have an impact on his credibility.

His opinion about Newton has no effect on his credibility at this point because we don't know if it's right yet :rolleyes:

Sheesh :nonod:

[Mr. Scot]

So the day after the QB camp with Newton special aired there are articles about grudens QB credibility. Where was this article last year? You just so happened to be the one to find it,lol.

Where was this article about something that just happened in the past few days this time last year? :sosp:

The answer to that would be "not in existence".

Youre the best at finding things the somehow connect to Newton. Even your fellow haters are tired of your bait games. You might have some football knowledge or just love search engines who knows or cares but what i get it that you're damn near senile and bored. That segment didnt not make Cam look bad at all we already knew he ran a no huddle offense and we didnt here him complaining about Newton on the chalkboard or when he threw the ball. I dont take you serious at all and I hope others are smart enough to see thru your simple mind games

Paranoid much?

Remind me. Who connected the story to Newton? Was it me?

Oh I see. Somehow in my diabolical genius, I manipulates a Newton supporter into bringing him up so that I could make him look bad. That's it! :frown2:

Do you guys have any clue just how stupid you're sounding here? :nonod:

[ncmonzta]

Where was this article about something that just happened in the past few days this time last year? :sosp:

The answer to that would be "not in existence".

Paranoid much?

Remind me. Who connected the story to Newton? Was it me? Or did I somehow in my diabolical genius manipulate a Newton supporter into bringing him up so that I could make him look bad?

Do you guys have any clue just how stupid you're sounding here? :nonod:

youre a funny dude. senile as shet but funny. Gruden did this last year with other QB's or is your alzheimer's kicking in? So you really can't find a connection between Gruden's Qb Camp and his elvaluations with Newton? No reason for this to continue.:rolleyes:

[TheRealDeal]

LOL Swing and a miss

[Mr. Scot]

youre a funny dude. senile as shet but funny. Gruden did this last year with other QB's or is your alzheimer's kicking in? So you really can't find a connection between Gruden's Qb Camp and his elvaluations with Newton? No reason for this to continue.:rolleyes:

And remind me, if I discredit the program that just made Newton look bad, that hurts Newton...how, exactly? :confused:

Pretty clear if my plan had been to lure you guys into making yourselves look like idiots, it would now be considered an unqualified success :nonod:

[TylerVagyler]

And remind me, if I discredit the program that just made Newton look bad, that hurts Newton...how, exactly? :confused:

Pretty clear if my plan had been to lure you guys into making yourselves look like idiots, it would now be considered an unqualified success :nonod:

I don't think you had any kind of master plan. That's just silly.

I just find it hard to believe that you don't see how there could be a connection made with this article and Newton.

Newton appears to be on the top of our board (whether you want him or not, it does appear he is the leading candidate as of now) and he is also featured on Gruden's QBC. King comes out and discredits Gruden and bashes his camp. Connection made.

[Dpantherman]

Geniuses, read the date on the article