Gruden: Panthers Will Select Newton

[Verge]

I still do not understand all the hate. The panthers have an opportunity to draft a QB with a ton of potential. Something this team has never had before. You have to take the chance on it or else we will be in the same position next year. Worst case scenario is we do terrible anyways and draft high again next year. At least then we can say we tried.

Cam Newton busts, we go 1-15/0-16, we can't draft Luck or Barkley due to drafting Newton, we sink millions into a bust, we are in the basement for the next 5+ years, people lose jobs, we lose our new awesome coaching staff, and he takes JR's Laptop.

That is the worst case scenario.

[Marguide]

Unfortunately for Fasani, the one game he started was against the Bucs the year they won the SB. They made a lot of QBs look bad that year but none more so than Fasani.

He was definitely worse than Jimmy.

That had to be of the ugliest performances by a QB I have ever seen.

IIRC, he had a QB rating of "0" for that gem.

[Mr. Scot]

I still do not understand all the hate. The panthers have an opportunity to draft a QB with a ton of potential. Something this team has never had before. You have to take the chance on it or else we will be in the same position next year. Worst case scenario is we do terrible anyways and draft high again next year. At least then we can say we tried.

That's because it isn't "hate".

Some folks believe, for perfectly legitimate reasons, that none of the QB prospects we're looking at aren't good enough to use the number one pick on, and that there are players at other positions of need who are better options.

No hate required.

And it's not like if we don't draft a QB number one right now, we'll never have any other chance to get a different QB ever again. There are other avenues.

I don't really see anyone suggesting that we just stand pat, but there are differences about the best way to improve.

Again, no hate needed.

Some folks just want to throw the 'hate' and "racism" stuff around rather than actually debate the actual facts. Truthfully, that's the easy - and cowardly - way out.

That had to be of the ugliest performances by a QB I have ever seen.

IIRC, he had a QB rating of "0" for that gem.

Yep, 0.0 :(

And for all his effort, he took a nasty shot mid-game that had me wondering if he was gonna get up. We didn't have a backup either if he didn't because the other guys were hurt (hence, why he started).

[Marguide]

Cam Newton busts, we go 1-15/0-16, we can't draft Luck or Barkley due to drafting Newton, we sink millions into a bust, we are in the basement for the next 5+ years, people lose jobs, we lose our new awesome coaching staff, and he takes JR's Laptop.

That is the worst case scenario.

Hater.

Besides, who honestly believes JR has a laptop?

[Verge]

It also stems from the fact that my high school offense was more complicated than Auburns. I think Ohio can also attest to that.

[CRA]

There were reasons why he wasn't a starter.

I agree.

I just don't agree you can take 1 game aganist the Superbowl champs (that Carolina lead going into the 4th) as evidence that he was worse than The Jimmy.......

The Jimmy played in 13 games and looked like a high school QB out there. No improvement over the course of a season......that is hard to trump. 1 bad start against a great team doesn't trump that imo

Fasani was garbage though......not arguing otherwise. I just think as bad as Jimmy was people still wear homer glasses when looking at his season. That was on the verge of all time poor rookie showings......most don't get to look that bad b/c they get pulled.

[Mr. Scot]

As I recall, they wanted Fasani back, but he said he was wanted to retire to pursue a career in law enforcement.

A little while after that, he was trying out for the Jets (didn't make it).

[Eazy-E]

It also stems from the fact that my high school offense was more complicated than Auburns. I think Ohio can also attest to that.

Any QB even if it is a solid vet is going to have to learn all the same things as Newton, Gabbert, or any rookie. If the playbook is 900 pages then any QB on the roster is going to have to learn a ton in a short period of time. It does not matter what system you came from, if you have the desire you will be able to learn it. If you are lazy you will fail. That applies to most things in life.

That's because it isn't "hate".

Some folks believe, for perfectly legitimate reasons, that none of the QB prospects we're looking at aren't good enough to use the number one pick on, and that there are players at other positions of need who are better options.

No hate required.

And it's not like if we don't draft a QB number one right now, we'll never have any other chance to get a different QB ever again. There are other avenues.

I don't really see anyone suggesting that we just stand pat, but there are differences about the best way to improve.

Again, no hate needed.

Some folks just want to throw the 'hate' and "racism" stuff around rather than actually debate the actual facts. Truthfully, that's the easy - and cowardly - way out.

While I somewhat agree with you, It just comes to personal opinion. I also am not one to hate. You and I both know that a lot of the posters on here do nothing but spew blind hatred with no backing what so ever. Same goes for posters who ride the bandwagon and are not really sure why they are. Some people are leaders and some are followers. It is just human nature.

To my point though, Newton based on pure natural ability makes him worth a number 1 pick imo. In my eyes players all have a similar bust factor. No one has any idea what is going on in a players head. These players have a life outside of football and are people just like you and me. They are not robots who are programed to play football. You can teach someone the game but you cannot teach natural/physical traits.

If there were any FA QB's that were worth investing into that you could build a team around then I would not care so much for a QB #1, but there is not. What there is though is a nice group of FA DT's that I would love to have on our team who are all still in their prime. I know there is no FA right now but we pretty much know who will be available when there is. Point being, there is not a QB worth a damn in that group.

[Mr. Scot]

To my point though, Newton based on pure natural ability makes him worth a number 1 pick imo. In my eyes players all have a similar bust factor. No one has any idea what is going on in a players head. These players have a life outside of football and are people just like you and me. They are not robots who are programed to play football. You can teach someone the game but you cannot teach natural/physical traits.

If there were any FA QB's that were worth investing into that you could build a team around then I would not care so much for a QB #1 but there is not. What there is though is a nice group of FA DT's that I would love to have on our team who are all still in their prime. I know there is no FA right now but we pretty much know who will be available when there is. Point being, there is not a QB worth a damn in that group.

I can understand that, but I don't agree with it. Probably every bust that's come down the pike in the last decade has had natural ability, but it wasn't enough.

There's more to it than that, and I just don't think the guys we have to choose from have what it takes (any of 'em, not just Newton).

And as I've said many times, young QB prospects we already have. I'd rather add some experience than add more youth. Luck would have been worth that risk, but no one else is.

[Eazy-E]

And as I've said many times, young QB prospects we already have. I'd rather add some experience than add more youth. Luck would have been worth that risk, but no one else is.

Like I said It is an opinion. You have your right to that. I will respectfully disagree. Luck and Newton to me have the same chance to bust. They both also have an equal opportunity to be great. Luck is not in the draft so that leaves us with Newton and I am perfectly content with that.