Riley: Don't count out Moore

[TheRealDeal]

forcing it into coverage for one

Yes, that would be one. But that is a new mistake that we didn't previously see from Moore. He was always a very good decision maker when he was the starter but for some reason he was not this year, at least in the NYG game.

I think he was trying to make plays happen and forced a few balls. We also don't know when the concussion happened so that is a factor as well. My "Guess" (if you want to call it that) was that it happened in the third quarter.

I don't think based on the small sample size this season that you make the determination he can't read a defense.

Is there anything else?

[koolkatluke]

Run game came alive......Matt Moore got our WRs in the endzone w/ no protection or run game. All he had to do was eliminate a couple bonehead plays. Difference between Moore and Clausen was that Clausen sucked epic balls while Moore made a few boneheaded throws.

If Moore started 16 games Carolina wouldn't have been a 2 win team....they would have been around .500. We got to 8-8 w/ Jake imploding....we won 2 games b/c Clausen LITERALLY did nothing. 8-8 w/ Moore for 16.

Yeah because he was stellar in the preseason and if it wasn't for EVERYBODY ELSE he would have gotten us too a 8-8. :mad2::mad2: Really, Really dude sell that poo some where else because what you're smoking is tainted.

[OneBadassCat]

It's honestly a surprise that Moore still has the talents he has after being 3 years in a Fox system. Fox's offense does nothing for the QB except put pressure on them.

He doesn't have a full season of starts so it would make sense that he would make inexperienced. Not really his fault since he should have been starting since 2008.

Matt Moore is as good or better than Mark Sanchez

[AceMan]

Run game came alive......Matt Moore got our WRs in the endzone w/ no protection or run game. All he had to do was eliminate a couple bonehead plays. Difference between Moore and Clausen was that Clausen sucked epic balls while Moore made a few boneheaded throws.

If Moore started 16 games Carolina wouldn't have been a 2 win team....they would have been around .500. We got to 8-8 w/ Jake imploding....we won 2 games b/c Clausen LITERALLY did nothing. 8-8 w/ Moore for 16.

I agree we would have won more games, but I have a hard time believing we would get to 8-8 and I like Moore alot. I'm guessing around 5-11/6-10 at best.

Also, Moore saved that record during Delhomme complete meltdown by winning the last 4 games. :cheers2:

[frash.exe]

Yes, that would be one. But that is a new mistake that we didn't previously see from Moore. He was always a very good decision maker when he was the starter but for some reason he was not this year, at least in the NYG game.

I think he was trying to make plays happen and forced a few balls. We also don't know when the concussion happened so that is a factor as well. My "Guess" (if you want to call it that) was that it happened in the third quarter.

I don't think based on the small sample size this season that you make the determination he can't read a defense.

Is there anything else?

Ok so he had a concussion, it was a new mistake, he was trying to make plays, and it's a small sample size.

could you have fit any more excuses in there?

[frash.exe]

also why is it that people think forcing throws when there's nothing downfield is a good trait for a QB to have

maybe we should sign Rex Grossman, you people would love him

[TheRealDeal]

Ok so he had a concussion, it was a new mistake, he was trying to make plays, and it's a small sample size.

could you have fit any more excuses in there?

Those aren't excuses but they are things to consider. He did force the ball into coverage, now you have to look at why.

Can he not read defenses? Was he fuged up? Was he feeling the pressure of the FO and fan base getting giddy over a rookie and trying to make plays? Was there enough evidence to make this determination? Combo of all this?

Anything else?

[koolkatluke]

There are probably 57 threads where I said Moore played bad in 2010.

There is a HUGE difference between a Matt Moore bad and a Jimmy Clausen bad in 2010. That is the point.

Their is also a HUGE difference between 3 years vet in the same system with the same coaches then being a rookie. I like how you and other feel like this was not a advantage for MM when making the comparison.

[Cyberjag]

Moore has shown in the past that he can play QB well enough to start in the NFL. He didn't show it last year, but you can't pin that all on him. Rookie receivers (although Moore had Jarrett and Smith initially), injuries to the line, and our dynamic duo of Scherer and Davidson all combined to set him up for failure. I was pretty disappointed in his play, but I think it's reasonable to avoid pinning everything on him. Same goes for Clausen too.

And as far as the thread topic, I can find Les Miles saying nice things about Russell (although he did recently give up on him). College coaches who don't say nice things about their ex-players might find it more difficult to sign future players, right?

But here's another question. If you were Matt Moore, and the Panthers drafted Newton, wouldn't you try your best to sign elsewhere? If we take Newton he's going to eventually be the starter. We have Clausen and Pike under contract. At best, Moore will be competing to start a few games in 2011 and then hold a clipboard. And he doesn't need those games as an audition for other clubs, like Clausen would. All Moore has to do is pull out 2009 game film and use that to buy a shot at a legit starting job on the Vikings, Cardinals, or any other team that needs a QB.

So forget about if he can play here. If we draft Newton, the question is, why would he?

[chef17]

Not getting into the Moore debate again but Williams didn't have a TD in the preseason either yet we still consider him a top RB. I wouldn't put too much stock into preseason. Look at the Colts.

[pantherclaw]

Then we will be in the Luck Sweepstakes next year.

Only if the rest of the offense struggles to help the QB. Won't matter who is playing.

[OneBadassCat]

Again you guys keep calling him a veteran. He's hardly a veteran, he's started under 16 games. Sure he had more experience than Clausen but it's not like he doesn't have things to learn. What the hell was he supposed to do? Upseat John Fox's idol Jake Delhomme?

[panthers55]

Some here have accused me of being in homosexual relations with Moore.

I can assure you I am a fan of him. What's not to like?

Shockingly handsome (a plurality of Charlotte has spoken), a good person, a good football player, and a Carolina Panther.

Shockingly handsome???? I can see where someone might accuse you of homosexual leanings. That is a bizarre thing for a guy to say about another guy.

I always thought of him as an athletic Dorky version of Potsey from Happy Days.

[frash.exe]

Those aren't excuses but they are things to consider. He did force the ball into coverage, now you have to look at why.

Can he not read defenses? Was he fuged up? Was he feeling the pressure of the FO and fan base getting giddy over a rookie and trying to make plays? Was there enough evidence to make this determination? Combo of all this?

Anything else?

dude but riley said he keeps his composure under external pressure and is like the Joe Cool of bad QBs so why do you suggest he was feeling the pressure now?