SportsCenter On the Clock: Carolina Panthers

[Icege]

Money isn't an issue since there will be a rookie pay scale, and that's much more likely than Cam Newton being a smashing success in the NFL.

[Nicbsbll2]

Did Kiper really just put the blame for Clausen's terrible year on David Gettis and Brandon Lafell? If that's the case, then why wouldn't we take AJ Green to give Clausen some help instead of "the best defensive player" as Kiper puts it.

[grateflday]

blah blah blah.... I am sure even though the three said "The Panthers might be wise to stay clear of Newton and Missouri quarterback" They have Cam going either at #3, 4, or 5.

I continue to love and find it fascinating that people will say how a team in desperate need of a franchise QB should go defense but then turn around and have Cam going in the top 5 to another team in desperate need of a QB :crazy:

[C47]

If anything It will show that we will sadly still be making conservative decisions though which put us in the position we are in now though so...:rolleyes:

So you would rather the FO draft a guy that they don't have 100% confidence that he can grasp the playbook or play at an elite level in the NFL, setting us back at least another five years. I'm not saying that is the case and I fully expect Cam to be the pick. I just don't buy into this argument that if we draft anyone but a QB we are uber conservative and don't want to win. What if A.J. Green is the pick? He plays on offense, that was our weakest point last year....does Jerry still not want to win? The fact of the matter is no matter who we draft at number one (unless we can somehow trade out which I think is the best possible scenario) the Big Cat is going to have to pay an unproven rookie way more then they deserve. That doesn't sound conservative at all to me. That sounds pretty risky actually....

[Millions]

So you would rather the FO draft a guy that they don't have 100% confidence that he can grasp the playbook or play at an elite level in the NFL' date=' setting us back at least another five years. I'm not saying that is the case and I fully expect Cam to be the pick. I just don't buy into this argument that if we draft anyone but a QB we are uber conservative and don't want to win. What if A.J. Green is the pick? He plays on offense, that was our weakest point last year....does Jerry still not want to win? The fact of the matter is no matter who we draft at number one (unless we can somehow trade out which I think is the best possible scenario) the Big Cat is going to have to pay an unproven rookie way more then they deserve. That doesn't sound conservative at all to me. That sounds pretty risky actually....[/quote']

We would be conservative because it would be the same thing we have done in the past. Year after year we passed on first round talent QB's and stuck with average ones that very thing set us back already. All of the "he's going to set us back talk" is funny to me considering we have already been set back for years, worst team in our division due to not having a above average to elite QB.

What we have done in the past DIDN'T WORK imo we need a change in our decision making is all I am saying. Continuing to ignore the need of having a QB in today's NFL is not going to help us head into the right direction as a franchise.

[C47]

We would be conservative because it would be the same thing we have done in the past. Year after year we passed on first round talent QB's and stuck with average ones that very thing set us back already. All of the "he's going to set us back talk" is funny to me considering we have already been set back for years, worst team in our division due to not having a above average to elite QB.

I never said anything I said was factual. I'm just playing devils advocate. What if he showed he couldn't learn our 900 page playbook? They should say fug it we've passed on too many first round QB's we should draft this kid even though w don't think he can learn the playbook. What if they don't think he can transition to a pro style offense? Should they still grab him.....you call it hating, most of us call it legitimate concerns with Cam, Blaine, Jake and Ryan. Keep preaching that everyone who types one iota of negativism is a "hater" it only makes you look like more of a fool....

[C47]

We would be conservative because it would be the same thing we have done in the past. Year after year we passed on first round talent QB's and stuck with average ones that very thing set us back already. All of the "he's going to set us back talk" is funny to me considering we have already been set back for years, worst team in our division due to not having a above average to elite QB.

What we have done in the past DIDN'T WORK imo we need a change in our decision making is all I am saying. Continuing to ignore the need of having a QB in today's NFL is not going to help us head into the right direction as a franchise.

Neither is drafting a QB who has legitimate concerns about being able to master the playbook and run a pro style offense....

[Pox 08]

Did Kiper really just put the blame for Clausen's terrible year on David Gettis and Brandon Lafell? If that's the case, then why wouldn't we take AJ Green to give Clausen some help instead of "the best defensive player" as Kiper puts it.

Yep. Apparently it's "alright" to expect two rookie WRs to play absolutely flawless football in his eyes. Whereas it's not alright to expect a rookie qb to show even the slightest amount of potential.

[Millions]

I never said anything I said was factual. I'm just playing devils advocate. What if he showed he couldn't learn our 900 page playbook? They should say fug it we've passed on too many first round QB's we should draft this kid even though w don't think he can learn the playbook. What if they don't think he can transition to a pro style offense? Should they still grab him.....you call it hating' date=' most of us call it legitimate concerns with Cam, Blaine, Jake and Ryan. Keep preaching that everyone who types one iota of negativism is a "hater" it only makes you look like more of a fool....[/quote']

STFU with that bullsh1t many of us "huggers" agree that he will have to put in work to become the player we all think he can be. Even Mayock who didn't seem like a big Cam fan said "He could be a superman QB if he wants it bad enough". Nobody is saying he is perfect but we see the work he put in last year, the talent, potential and most importantly our need for a QB which is why some of us want Newton.

Nobody knows who will pan out or not Clausen was the NFL ready guy and The Golden Calf of Bristol was the raw project yet who was more productive as a rook...

[C47]

STFU with that bullsh1t many of us "huggers" agree that he will have to put in work to become the player we all think he can be. Even Mayock who didn't seem like a big Cam fan said "He could be a superman QB if he wants it bad enough". Nobody is saying he is perfect but we see the work he put in last year, the talent, potential and our need for a QB which is why some of us want Newton.

Nobody knows who will pan out or not Clausen was the NFL ready guy and The Golden Calf of Bristol was the raw project yet who was more productive as a rook...

Now expressing concerns with a player is known as bullsh1t.....good God why can't we have an age/iq/maturity level requirement for this place.....

[Millions]

Yet I am not ignoring the concerns I said he's not the perfect prospect he has to put in work to get better. My thing is I feel with our need at QB he's worth the risk because I think he will put in the work to get better. He wants to be a "sports icon" you can't be that being an average player.

[mav1234]

bottom line: there are legitimate questions about Cam Newton. They relate to just about everything about the guy... but they are just questions.

it may turn out that those questions don't matter and that the Panthers have found that Cam can master an NFL Playbook quite quickly, can draw up plays, is showing true dedication to his craft, has put his off field stuff behind him, etc. All that is possible.

It's also possible that he couldn't learn the playbook, failed his interviews, isn't showing the improvement they wanted to see in his footwork and his accuracy under center. Frankly it's possible he just can't get something like Chud's offense down, because it is very complicated and quite different from anything he's seen before.

We don't know. The Panthers aren't telling anyone. It's all speculation what they think, and to say that it's retarded to have questions about Cam's transition is as silly as it is to say Cam Newton is guaranteed to bust.

[SOJA]

lol I guess its our recievers fault Clausen poo the bed everytime he got blitzed

[Cat'sGrowl]

I think its more of they view our owner Jerry Richardson as extremely cheap and view it as highly unlikely he would draft and pay a QB #1 overall like all the other normal NFL franchises. Them suggesting we take a defensive player instead is just a nice way of saying that.

You've actually tried to make yourself believe that, haven't you?