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[Jimmy]

Jon Snow went all Leeeeeeeeeroyy Jenkins!!!!

[Still Brooklyn]

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[CRA]

12 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

For Jon, I would say the big mistake was after Rickon was dead, he lost it and charged the line by himself.  The plan they had might have worked, had he simply turned around and headed back to his lines with Rickon's body.  Between his stupid play, Sansa's foolish withholding of information, and Ramsay's failure to set any pickets to warn him if Snow held a few troops back and tried to flank him or some other force approached, none of them looked very smart in the end. 

But didn't he charge forward out of need? I mean Ramsay played it perfect no doubt.  But he got Snow to come out to Rickon and then he rained down a parade of arrows.....and Jon's charge IMO was to outrun the arrows and opt to go down swinging 

[Davidson Deac II]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

But didn't he charge forward out of need? I mean Ramsay played it perfect no doubt.  But he got Snow to come out to Rickon and then he rained down a parade of arrows.....and Jon's charge IMO was to outrun the arrows and opt to go down swinging 

I think he charged forward out of anger and frustration.  Didn't he charge forward after he got to Rickon? 

[Zaximus]

Yeah he wasn't supposed to charge forward like that, I believe they show Davos saying "Don't do it." or something.  They only charged with him to protect him from getting killed.   I think they had a far better plan.

[CRA]

40 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I think he charged forward out of anger and frustration.  Didn't he charge forward after he got to Rickon? 

Well he had to go after Rickon.  Then once he got to a dead Rickon...Ramsay launched an assault of arrows....and then Jon charged.   The Rickon play was masterful.  

Jon had to go, one he got out there and isolated, he had to make a move once the arrows launched (granted people we worried about him charging without the arrow assault)....so he charged ahead.  

Could argue his only option was to charge ahead....stay or retreat and the arrows impale him.  Ramsay played it well.  I just argue Snow basically made the right moves but and there was no way to win (if looking at Snow as an isolated person)

[Davidson Deac II]

35 minutes ago, CRA said:

Well he had to go after Rickon.  Then once he got to a dead Rickon...Ramsay launched an assault of arrows....and then Jon charged.   The Rickon play was masterful.  

Jon had to go, one he got out there and isolated, he had to make a move once the arrows launched (granted people we worried about him charging without the arrow assault)....so he charged ahead.  

Could argue his only option was to charge ahead....stay or retreat and the arrows impale him.  Ramsay played it well.  I just argue Snow basically made the right moves but and there was no way to win (if looking at Snow as an isolated person)

I would say that retreating was the better option.  Charging meant almost certain death unless his troops came up to support him, which throws their battle plans out of whack (which is exactly what happened).   And putting more distance between yourself and the shooter makes the shot more difficult, while decreasing range makes it easier.  And he was on horseback, so he would put himself out of range faster than on foot. 

 

Of course, they really did it for dramatic effect, and it achieved that goal. 

[thefuzz]

18 hours ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I think it was more likely she didn't know for certain LF was coming.  If she knew and withheld the information, then she was responsible for the deaths of a lot of troops fighting on the Stark side that might not have died if they had known the Knights of the Vale were coming and planned accordingly. 

This was my thought as well.  She was hoping that LF was coming, hence, let's wait a few more days, talk instead of lets wait till LF gets here with the knights.

I still think that she should have shared with Jon that she was asking The Vale for help, and that she had been promised his army if she needed it.

[Sapper]

Also, keep in mind we're not entirely sure Sansa never told Jon. He could have acted hoping they'd come.  Whether it's not true, a book reveal or an aftermath reveal *shrugs*

[The Link]

It's pretty safe to assume that she didn't tell him. I mean, he flat out asked her who else was going to help them and she didn't say anything. So he went forward with the army they had.

[Sapper]

1 hour ago, The Link said:

It's pretty safe to assume that she didn't tell him. I mean, he flat out asked her who else was going to help them and she didn't say anything. So he went forward with the army they had.

Right, but he could have already known The Vale was contacted

[NanuqoftheNorth]

It is possible, if not likely, that LF and the Knights of the Vale arrived in the Winterfell area well in advance of the actual battle.  

They may have intentionally held back, remaining out of sight until the Stark and Bolton forces had inflicted significant damage on one other.  That strategy would help to maximize the chances of victory for LF's forces, while simultaneously minimizing the chance of significant losses.  It would also help to ensure his forces were the only "super power" remaining in the North.

Classic LF strategy.  Marrying Sansa to claim the North as his own is next thing on his to do list.

[Sapper]

On June 23, 2016 at 4:39 PM, The Link said:

Apologies for for essentially quoting you, but I wasn't allowed to delete my acciddndetal quote.  Pie will be given

[Sapper]

So I caught an early screening at a buddy's house. Believe some of what you read (if you like spoilers) but a lot is garbage.   I won't spoil a thing since it's a great episode 10.  Look forward to it again tonight on my own tv :)