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[CarolinaNCSU]

One thing that did really bother me, even though it wouldn't provide the same "moment" from the episode...

How does Sansa not tell Jon, "oh yeah, I sent a letter to Littlefinger who is bringing the Vale's army, maybe hold up 30 minutes". I get that it creates more drama/suspense seeing Jon on the ropes, then the day being saved, but mehhhh come on.  Also from the battle, I don't blame Jon for his actions with Rickon and the panic and rush to battle from the moment that ensues, but at the same time...Jon can kinda be portrayed as kind of a shitty commander, who was bailed out by Sansa/the Vale. And who had one hellllluva advantage in battles with Wun-Wun. Now? No Wun-Wun. :(

 

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, Bronn said:

I can only imagine next week is going to be insane. It is 70 minutes long, not counting beginning and end credits.

I'll hide my speculations behind spoiler tags because my estimations include supposedly leaked information on some storylines...
 

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Oldtown/The Citadel:
We get a scene with Sam and Gilly arriving and Sam meeting a Maester. The Maester is at the rookery about to send out his white ravens, which signify the Winter arriving in Westeros. Sam brings up who he is and what he's done, and what he's there for, and he and Gilly are taken in.

Winterfell:
Littlefinger and Sansa meet beneath the weirwood. Littlefinger hints at wanting Sansa again, and tells her that he wants to unite the North with the Vale, march southwards towards King's Landing, and rule over everyone that will not bend the knee to them. He sells it as revenge for the Starks, but Sansa sees through it a bit. Regardless, she takes the ideas to Jon, who once again is resistant. He wants to play it safe, and make preparations there for what is coming, and even head back North to help at the Wall. He tells Sansa that bad things are coming, and that they have to stick together now.

Melisandre, Davos, and Jon are in the feasting hall (which is pretty empty) and discussing what to do now. Melisandre is vying for an offering to the LoL. She wants Jon to burn those who opposed him. She is also trying to fill Jon's head with how the Lord of Light has big plans for him yadda yadda yadda and Davos steps in and finally calls her on her past actions. He brings up how Stannis believed in her, and admits that she had some sort of powers, yes... But at what cost? He brings up Melisandre burning Shireen, saying that it was something that was unnecessary and accomplished nothing, and that her visions or interpretations aren't always correct. She was a child, yadda yadda yadda. Jon is put off by it a bit. Jon gives the order to Davos to have all the dead bodies outside Winterfell burned before nightfall.

Mereen:
Preparations are being made for the departure to Westeros. The pieces are being picked up after the battle, and Dany is trying to determine what's best to do with the city after she leaves. Tyrion tells her that her alliance with the Greyjoys was a smart one, and that she is now playing the game which is Westeros. The fleet will be salvaged, supplies will be loaded, etc. Daario offers to take part of the fleet ahead in order to meet Euron's forces and make preparations for her army's landing, and she gives him leave to do so.

Riverlands:
The Freys and Lannisters are celebrating their victory at the Twins. Edmure has pledged Tully and Riverrun's support to the crown, and Walder Frey been made liege lord of the Riverlands. Jaime takes his leave to make his way back to King's Landing, and is accompanied by Bronn and some others.

Jaime and Bronn get apprehended by the BWOB, now including one Sandor Clegane. The Hound wants to head south with the new prisoners to ransom them back to the Crown, but Berric and Thoros want no part of that. They want to stay there, or head North even, to fight the coming threat. It is decided that Clegane will be allowed to take his leave and take the new prisoners with him. He runs into Brienne and Pod. Talk about awkward. Jaime has freed Brienne, who has defeated the Hound. Pod served alongside Bronn with Tyrion, but is now squire to Brienne. What a mess.

Back at the Twins, Hot Pie appears and starts doling out some pie during the revelry. Before too long, people start getting sick and pulling Joffrey's. A girl seems unfazed. She approaches the dais where Walder sits laughing but horrified. He didn't have any pie. The girl pulls off her face, and it is Arya. She wields Needle and offs him.

King's Landing:
Preparations are made for the trial by seven. Seven septons and a large crowd setup inside the Sept of Baelor for Margaery, Loras, and Cersei's trial. I think Loras will go first, and he will somehow be absolved of any wrongdoings, cleansed, and allowed to leave the sept to be cleansed symbolically.

Margaery enters, and she too is absolved. She takes a seat in the sept and awaits Cersei's trial.

The Little Birds show up and off Kevan Lannister and Pycelle in their chambers on orders from Qyburn

Cersei doesn't appear at the Sept, and the High Sparrow takes his leave, dispatched by Tommen along with some of the Kingsguard and sparrows (Lancel?,) now knights of the Faith, to retrieve her.

Gregorstein throws the High Sparrow from the ramparts, and makes quick work of the Kingsguard who don't yield in the process.

Cersei then heads to the Sept and beckons Tommen to leave with her at once. He refuses, and Cersei has the Sept sealed up, barring the doors. Panic ensues, and the Tommen is rushed to the upper levels/chambers of the Sept. The Wildfire is ignited, and large explosions start in the Sept. Tommen gets sealed inside one of the chambers and his exits are blocked with burning green flames. His choice is to burn to death or jump from the window, and he chooses the window.

The Wildfire sets off a chain reaction, and the major buildings in Kings Landing are brought to ruins thanks to the cache of Wildfire that we heard about in E9 and hinted upon by Qyburn in E8. Kings Landing is burning.

Bran:
They've made it back to the godswood where Jon and Sam took their oaths. Benjen says the wall isn't far (in fact, it is well within sight) and that they will be there before nightfall. Benjen asks Bran about his visions, and asks what he has seen. Bran tells him about the Tower of Joy, and that his father had lied to him about what happened. Benjen tells Bran that he had his reasons. When prodded, Benjen tells Bran that the truth is out there for him to see, but that he has always known the truth. Bran's eyes roll back after he touches the weirwood tree and we get the completion of the Tower of Joy. Ned finds Lyanna dying from the incision made to pull Jon out of her abdomen. She makes Ned promise to raise Jon as his own son, and save her honor in the process. Bran wakes up and tells Benjen what he saw, and the truth he now knows. Benjen knew all along, and swore an oath to keep the secret that Ned confided in him, and to look out for Jon because he knew what his blood would mean one day.

Back at Winterfell:
We see Jon. He is meeting with Sansa and Littlefinger hearing about Littlefinger's plans. Jon is resistant to head south because he knows what is coming. He wants to remain in the North to fight the coming threat. Littlefinger pulls out a trump card which is correspondence between Ned and Benjen concerning what happened at the Tower of Joy. Littlefinger knew the whole time that Jon was the biggest chess piece in Westeros, and he's using this newly delivered information in order to try to convince Jon that he is indeed heir to the Iron Throne and get him to March South. Jon wants no part of it, though, and Littlefinger asks permission to take his leave in order to do it himself. He tries to get Sansa to go with him, but she won't.

Bran:
The horns at the Wall are sounded and the gate is opened. Bran and Meera enter the tunnel. Benjen can't because of the wards on the wall and the magic keeping him alive. They part ways. Bran meets Edd and the other Night's Watch, tells them who he is, and what is coming. Edd gives the order to make preparations for war, and doubles the watch. Bran begins to dream about the Night's King coming to the wall. There is a huge storm at the wall and a horn sounds. The wall cracks and crumbles in parts, and we see the Night's King's army start coming through. He wakes up to realize it was only a dream, but knows he has to warn everyone. He asks Edd to give he and Meera provisions for a journey southward, and at that time the weather starts getting worse and worse.

Cut to outside Winterfell and our last shot is a white raven flying towards Winterfell, with a snowstorm at its back.

 

AGAIN! Most of this is speculation based on leaks and the trailer and how I think things could go.

Either way, as you can see, E10 has a chance to be even better than E9.

Future things I think are being set up from a lot of this:

Jaime to get back to KL and see Cersei as equal to the Mad king, and he himself will kill her because she basically willingly killed their last child for no good reason other than her own hatred of everything.

The Hound to fight his brother during this same event.

Dany to make her landing in Dorne, and pick up more strong women who hate Westeros in the Sand Snakes.

Euron vs. Dany in a sea battle.

Sam finding out more about Heartsbane and Valyrian steel being useful against WWs.

 

 

I was wondering if Jamie might end up being one of the victims at the twins.  Arya kills Jaime and all the Freys in the same spot they killed her family.  Perhaps she replaces Lady Stoneheart in that role.  Meanwhile, Cersei kills Tommen by accident in an explosion meant to kill the faith militant and the Tyrells, and is faced with the loss of both Jaime and Tommen. 

 

Edited to add, I have seen no spoilers, so this is pure conjecture on my part. 

[Bronn]

3 hours ago, Arroz con Panther said:

1) In Mereen, they just setup a nice like chat with the Masters while their city was still being attacked in the background?  And, they were able to invite and plan the meeting in about 5 minutes?

I took it as Parlay. The slavers came to the neutral ground with "Look at what we are doing to your city. You can stop us with surrender" and she answered rather firmly.

2) Jon just somehow didn't get hit by a horse right at the beginning of the battle scene?  When two lines of horses meet right where he's standing?
I kind of wondered if somehow, unbeknownst to Jon, Mel had put some kind of ward around him. I mean, in one scene, the arrows basically formed his outline on the ground. I suppose it could have been divine intervention if Jon does indeed have some larger purpose as the theme seems to indicate.

3) Where the hell did the mountain of corpses come from?  I get that you would have some small piles, but like a twenty foot wall just appears and people keep fighting at the top of the mounds?  I could see it... Horses make up part of it too, and keep in mind that Ramsay chose to kill his own in the process, adding to the numbers exponentially.

 

 

[Bronn]

2 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

I was wondering if Jamie might end up being one of the victims at the twins.  Arya kills Jaime and all the Freys in the same spot they killed her family.  Perhaps she replaces Lady Stoneheart in that role.  Meanwhile, Cersei kills Tommen by accident in an explosion meant to kill the faith militant and the Tyrells, and is faced with the loss of both Jaime and Tommen. 

 

Edited to add, I have seen no spoilers, so this is pure conjecture on my part. 

I had the same thought with Jaime, but I think he really wants to get back to Cersei, and he doesn't really like the Freys. Plus, I think he is destined to face the actions of Cersei, whom he has said is the only one that matters to him, and then realize what a terrible person she truly is. Plus I think the situation I came up with with him, Bronn, and the BWOB would actually be hilarious.

[Davidson Deac II]

1 minute ago, Bronn said:

I had the same thought with Jaime, but I think he really wants to get back to Cersei, and he doesn't really like the Freys. Plus, I think he is destined to face the actions of Cersei, whom he has said is the only one that matters to him, and then realize what a terrible person she truly is. Plus I think the situation I came up with with him, Bronn, and the BWOB would actually be hilarious.

You may be right, but I do think it would be Poetic Justice if he got killed in the same spot as Robb and Company. 

[Davidson Deac II]

Also, I think littlefinger's end will come when someone tells Jon, or Sansa, or Arya, how their father was betrayed by LF.  Or he may just survive the whole thing. 

[teeray]

Excellent stuff.

My only minor complaint is the meeting with Dany and Theon was weirdly placed in editing.

At first I thought they were the ones who attacked Mereen.  Like they had made an alliance with the slaversor something and were now answering to the queen.

It took a couple of minutes to realize that they just showed up some time after the battle to discuss an alliance with Dany

It just seemed weird and I could see some viewers getting confused by it.

Other than that another great episode and that battle was really well produced.  One of the things about GoT is they make death and war horrific and not really heroic.

 

 

[Davidson Deac II]

So will Dany and Asha hook up? 

[Arroz con Panther]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

It was 5 minutes in our time.   Could have been a couple of hours or more in the shows time.

Honestly (and this isn't directed at you), I do get a little tired of people complaining about how fast things happen on the show.  Troops or ships getting to a certain place to quickly mostly.  The show never tells us how much time has passed, nor do they say that the kings landing or Mereen part is happening at the same time as the events around Winterfell.  It would be boring as hell is they show a lot of the march to Winterfell, or the trip from the Iron Islands.  It seems nitpickly thing to complain about.

I think what irked me more than the time was that the ships were still dropping bombs while they were just casually sitting there talking.  There wasn't much urgency even though the city was being attacked.  I threw in the time thing as a secondary thought, but that doesn't bother me all that much.  I know it would be boring otherwise.

[rodeo]

Since we're listing our critiques I was super disappointed they turned Smalljon Umber into a Bolton loyalist. In the books he died at the Red Wedding, after he flipped a table over Robb to try to protect him.

I was hoping he was tricking Ramsay and would turn on him. The North Remembers, and all that. Except that Jon's army was a Stormlander, Wildlings, and 1 small Northern house. The North didn't remember, they ended up bitches bending over for Ramsay irrationally. The show turned him into such an all-powerful mary sue.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

3 hours ago, Darth Biscuit said:

I'm re-watching it as I type this and noticed another little boo-boo... Sansa had already ridden off when Ramsey made the "dogs haven't eaten in 7 days" comment... I suppose Jon could have told her that, but...

Jon was beating Ramsey to death until he noticed Sansa watching him.

In that moment, Jon realized it was more appropriate for Sansa to preside over Ramsey's death (revenge for all the torture she endured at Bolton's hands).

Later, when Sansa asked Jon where Ramsey was being held,  Jon would have had to explain to Sansa his rational for placing Ramsey in the dog kennel rather than a dungeon or tower.

So it follows that Sansa would have been aware of Ramsey's threat to feed Jon and his compatriots to the dogs.

[CRA]

Previews have me curious about what exactly was done to Jon Snow.  I mean I assume this meant when he was resurrected  and their is a clear cut negative to be revealed? 

[Bronn]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Previews have me curious about what exactly was done to Jon Snow.  I mean I assume this meant when he was resurrected  and their is a clear cut negative to be revealed? 

I don't know what you mean? What part of the preview?

[The Link]

Jon seems like he isn't all there. Like a small part of him didn't come back, and the way he spoke to Mel made it seem as though he wished he hadn't been brought back in the first place.