Gruden's extended QB Camp w/ Newton (drills included)

[pantherfan81]

Don't worry, guys. The names of the plays in Chud's book are being compressed to just numbers so that Cam can grasp it better. We're gonna win some Super Bowls with him at the helm.

Chud will likely omit any plays with the #7 in it. It looks too much like a gun. Also no pistol formations for obvious reasons.

[Brooklyn Bully]

Did you expect everyone to post: no comment.

No, but trying to deeply analyze that short clip is pathetic.

[Snake]

He made some really nice throws, big contrast to the combine - he's clearly been working hard.

It's clear that learning the complexity of NFL offenses will be the biggest challenge for him, I have no concerns about his physical ability to play QB at the NFL level.

What I like is how far he has come from college to now. You can just tell he is smart and wants to be the best.

[CarolinaVeins]

people complain about how the haters motivate him but seem to embrace steve smith having a chip on his shoulder..can't have it both ways. you take the motivation any place you can get it in this league or you are not long for the NFL.

Agreed...Smitty said all those folks who doubted him because of his size and said he will only be a punt returner was his biggest motivation

[micnificent28]

People who are using the gun thing are really grasping at straws. He said I know guns are violent and hurt people but, I'm using this a metaphor. If using a metaphor is a red flag to some of you then cam will never be good enuff for you. I don't think it's the first time I've heard a athlete use this metaphor either.

He seems like he has average to above average intelligence added to the fact he has enormous physical skills he'll be fine. Even if he doesn't find the open read as quickly as others(looked good in the clapping drill where gruden tried to fool him)his physical skill will buy him the extra tenth of a second to find his open read. He'll be fine give him some time to learn. I think most of you will be surprised.

[CAVSS]

The play complexity in the video doesn't concern me because our FO made that brilliant move of handing out the playbooks. If Cam wasn't able to grasp it to a degree by studying it on his own time then they won't draft him. If we draft him then we can safely assume that our staff feels comfortable with his ability to learn nfl play calling.

The gun thing is actually a decent metaphor and likely given to him by a former coach or handler. (Just a feeling I got) From my time playing team sports coaches are full of little sayings like these. When you find one that workd for you it just sticks.

What concerned me was the clap drill. It took a good half a second after recognizing the clapping receiver to deliver the ball. To be fair though it was the first run of the drill. Usually the first time you do any drill its a little sloppy.

Smitty and Beason both use negative criticism to fuel their success. I want a QB with a chip on his shoulder.

[PantherBrew]

No, but trying to deeply analyze that short clip is pathetic.

No more pathetic than criticizing those analysis. :)

[TylerVagyler]

I really hope some of you aren't serious when questioning his metaphor.

[pantherfan81]

I really hope some of you aren't serious when questioning his metaphor.

Those who do take that serious need to get a handful of baby powder lol

[davos]

I really hope some of you aren't serious when questioning his metaphor.

No one really has...its been addressed more jokingly if anything in this thread.

The guy is clearly not a public speaker...not that it has anything to do with his play at all.

My concern was that it just seemed like he had no idea what Gruden was talking about...at all. But its part of a learning process and I'm actually hoping he can work his way through it because Cam could potentially be something really special. He's more humble than people give him credit for, but he definitely gets lost in his own train of thought and starts rambling a lot.

[PantherBrew]

I am not saying the metaphor says anything about his character. But I am saying that it is a weak connection and also, it doesn't help the unfair perceptions that are given to young black athletes.

[Brooklyn Bully]

No more pathetic than criticizing those analysis. :)

Analyses

[PantherBrew]

Analyses

Thanks.

[Vagrant]

1. The language at Auburn may be more a result of Cam than the simplicity of the offense at Auburn. They may have judged him to be more able to accept a simplistic play calling that required more specific reads than complicated play calling. Plus, the language isn't going to be all that hard to pick up if he's dedicated. We're talking about a set of terms that mean the same thing in virtually every situation. It's a matter of learning what the term means, seeing it run by the WR, and then putting a name with a route. Learning your OWN offense is probably the least intimidating part of the process. Learning to trust what you see in the DEFENSE is what makes or breaks quarterbacks in my opinion. QB's need to know the other side of the ball as well if not better than most defensive backs.

2. I wouldn't judge Cam for his comfort level with Gruden. I actually was encouraged by the fact that he was somewhat intimidated by the situation, because being intimidated is an acknowledgment of the difficulty that you're going to face. If he went in there and made excuses and talked himself up like players have done in the past, then that would scare me. His whole mood seemed to change when they went out on the field to work through the drills, so he's obviously more comfortable with the ball in his hands than he is in the film room, so that will have to change somewhat or be adjusted. But to me, his reluctance to be decisive about things he doesn't know was a nod to the fact that he knows the hard work in front of him.

3. ESPN wouldn't attempt to disparage the player by showing him make bad throws or else their agents wouldn't allow them to even do these shows anymore. The fact that you only saw Cam's good throws, and I don't KNOW that there were any BAD throws, is the same kind of treatment they would give to everyone. Going by the combine throwing exhibition is a much more accurate and even display of a player than a highly edited segment filmed by an interested party. So the drill segment must be taken with a grain of salt to be honest.... but the willingness to get out there and show his stuff is pretty cool and I am glad that a lot of prospects are doing this. It gives us an insight into what talking with an NFL coach is going to be like for these guys. Those that don't take him seriously and treat his advice like it doesn't mean anything are the ones that worry me.

4. I wasn't a big fan of how Cam responded to the criticism comment. Aside from the useless analogy, he seemed to say that all the criticism he gets does nothing but motivate him because he knows it's all not true. Well, Cam, sometimes that same criticism IS true. You need to be able to evaluate the difference between the two. It's a bit nit picky, but going over a three minute segment is going to do that.

Overall, still not a fan of Cam as the pick and I don't want to see it happen.