Gruden's extended QB Camp w/ Newton (drills included)

[DaCityKats]

You realize that read step is the instant the ball is snapped and if it's a pass, those linebackers will be in their zones before the QB hit's their second step.

If it's a run, they will be filling or scraping before the RB has the ball

This is part of the "speed of the game" difference.

Have either of you played football above the high school level?

yes i do realize that. but even steal if it's a playaction that lb still must locate were the ball is. so if he cant find the ball why would he bail when it could have been a run? even with him dropping to his zone, their are holes in every zone.

you always questioning someones football knowledge dude you are no football god.

[TheRealDeal]

I havent. I will say I've never seen this zone defense thats so unstoppable. I hope Rivera learns this stuff or maybe you should go talk to him, we will be 16-0:drool5:

Oh it's definitely not unstoppable for a QB that can read one of them.

Cam has shown he cannot, that is why his numbers are far less impressive against zones.

It's not complicated (well, unless your Cam and you have a six shooter as your "chamber")

Rivera has learned this stuff, that's why he's had multiple top 5 defenses

[ncmonzta]

The zone coverage has little to do with the running game success or failure.

You might argue pre snap alignment has an impact but again that's only pre snap and once the ball is snapped it's read and react. If they read pass, they will drop into their zones before our QB hit's their third step. If it's run, they will be filling, scraping, setting edges, etc before the RB has the ball.

It comes down to execution not what coverage scheme the defense is using.

You can stop the run from the zone or the blitz. Cam has proven to be less effective against even the most basic zones. You can image they will be throwing all kinds of things at him that he's never seen before while still being able to contain Double Trouble.

You're trying to simplify the game to a level of:

Zone = better Running Success

Blitz = better Passing success

and that the case with the big boys.

fixed.

[TheRealDeal]

yes i do realize that. but even steal if it's a playaction that lb still must locate were the ball is. so if he cant find the ball why would he bail when it could have been a run? even with him dropping to his zone, their are holes in every zone.

you always questioning someones football knowledge dude you are no football god.

I am not a football god but I do understand football concepts at a level higher than what you two have shown here.

LBs shouldn't be locating the ball. They are taught to read a "triangle" and do their job according to their reads. Big plays happen when people try and find the ball instead of do their job.

Yes there are holes in every zone. I agree. This isn't a discussion about how the zone is unstoppable but a discussion saying how to stop the Cam led Panthers since Cam has shown the inability to read a zone defense.

[TheRealDeal]

fixed.

And you are still wrong

[ncmonzta]

Oh it's definitely not unstoppable for a QB that can read one of them.

Cam has shown he cannot, that is why his numbers are far less impressive against zones.

It's not complicated (well, unless your Cam and you have a six shooter as your "chamber")

Rivera has learned this stuff, that's why he's had multiple top 5 defenses

if a defense would have used the zone the way you do they could of stopped Cam from having a 188.2 qb rating and at least beat him once. we need to find you a coaching job.

[TheRealDeal]

if a defense would have used the zone the way you do they could of stopped Cam from having a 188.2 qb rating and at least beat him once. we need to find you a coaching job.

NFL and college is very different.

There isn't enough team speed in the college game to stop the spread offenses, which is why so many teams run them.

That's why those swing passes/hitches go for 9 yards a pop.

Plus the hashes are different so it's easier to cover the "wide side" of the field because it isn't very wide.

[ncmonzta]

NFL and college is very different.

There isn't enough team speed in the college game to stop the spread offenses, which is why so many teams run them.

That's why those swing passes/hitches go for 9 yards a pop.

Plus the hashes are different so it's easier to cover the "wide side" of the field because it isn't very wide.

Im just amazed that you are the only one that knows how to stop Cam Newton. Seriously fug the bullshit let me be your agent I'm getting you a real job today. These schools spending all this money on coaches when they couldve just came to the huddle and solved everything:thumbsup:

[TheRealDeal]

Im just amazed that you are the only one that knows how to stop Cam Newton. Seriously fug the bullpoo let me be your agent I'm getting you a real job today. These schools spending all this money on coaches when they couldve just came to the huddle and solved everything:thumbsup:

So I'm getting a college job (which I don't want) and still have to play with college players (which I said won't stop it) and I have to trust YOU to be my agent?

I would definitely go with Blackcatgrowl, he at least works with lawyers even though he doesn't have access to any of the databases in his firm.

Seriously though, do you not understand there is a difference between college and NFL?

In college, teams did what they had to do to stop Cam they just couldn't. The parity isn't the same in college as it is in the NFL and neither is the team speed.

[DaCityKats]

I am not a football god but I do understand football concepts at a level higher than what you two have shown here.

LBs shouldn't be locating the ball. They are taught to read a "triangle" and do their job according to their reads. Big plays happen when people try and find the ball instead of do their job.

Yes there are holes in every zone. I agree. This isn't a discussion about how the zone is unstoppable but a discussion saying how to stop the Cam led Panthers since Cam has shown the inability to read a zone defense.

read and reacting is locating the ball. you not going to bail to your zone if you dont know were the ball is because it may be a run. big plays in zones happen when people dont do their job and try to do others.

the discussion was about zones stopping the run, which they can. but saying a lb dont locate the ball is crazy.

[TheRealDeal]

read and reacting is locating the ball. you not going to bail to your zone if you dont know were the ball is because it may be a run. big plays in zones happen when people dont do their job and try to do others.

the discussion was about zones stopping the run, which they can. but saying a lb dont locate the ball is crazy.

You find the ball by keying your reads, Football 101. Often times your job isn't to find the ball but set the edge or be a spill guy.

I think you guys are just confused on the terminology and defensive schemes.

[DaCityKats]

exactly my point and your first step for a lb is foward no matter what. once you realize a OL has " high hats" than you will drop to your zone but when you realize its a run, scarp and run to the ball.

[TheRealDeal]

exactly my point and your first step for a lb is foward no matter what. once you realize a OL has " high hats" than you will drop to your zone but when you realize its a run, scarp and run to the ball.

Stop saying run to the ball because that's not accurate.

Other than that I agree, you make your quick read step forward then continue to do your job based on those reads.

The premise that being in a zone coverage will prevent you from stopping the run is incorrect, which is something NCblahblah couldn't comprehend, which isn't shocking.

[DaCityKats]

well you scarp.