An NFL GM who's had a bad record in the second round...

[Udogg]

i might put even more on luck that that.

There is sooo much that's just impossible to predict.

60/40.

[panthers55]

Make excuses all you want Hurney has made some horrible decisons the last couple of years. Tagging Pep then extending Turnover Jake. Trading a 1st for Brown then a 2nd for Edwards. Even last year not trading Dwill when the Packers were desperate (allegedly). I'm not saying he's terrible (I would put him in the middle of the pack) but I really don't understand why people on here are so quick to defend him. He's average nothing more nothing less.

I don't know all those decisions were horrible. We tagged Peppers when we thought we could sign him long term. When we couldn't we let him go. Not getting something for him was bigger than tagging him. Frankly tagging him two years in a row was a lot cheaper than signing him to a 100 million contract.

Delhomme didn't cost us much more than we had to pay him already. It was a gamble that didn't pay off but it was only horrible in retrospect not looking forward. As for Brown lets see what happens this year. If he sucks this year then I will agree with you. Rivera's scheme might make a big difference for him.

The same with Edwards. He should get at least this year to prove himself. Look at how Goodson improved from year 1 to 2. Lets see what happens before calling him a bust.

I don't know if Hurney is all that great but as you say he isn't terrible. The way he get crucified around here you would think he was more like McMillan.

[crunkpanther]

It's silly to suggest anyone drafts better or worse in a certain round.

In large part the draft is a crapshoot. It's like flipping quarters. Sometimes you come up with five heads in a row, sometimes five tails. Doesn't mean anything, sample size is too small.

But the overall point is good, the Panthers have done a good job drafting the last several years.

[MattB]

Hurney isn't a bad drafter. The problem is the philosophy behind the picks. Not putting a higher value on QBs and offense in general has hurt this franchise. And as much as a love D-Will and Stewart I just don't know how you justify spending a 1st round pick on a RB when you can get a guy like Mike Goodson in the fourth round.

[JawnyBlaze]

He hits so damn well on his first rounders no one pays attention to anything else.

Another similarity between Newsome and Hurney.

[Stumpy]

As for Brown lets see what happens this year. If he sucks this year then I will agree with you. Rivera's scheme might make a big difference for him.

The same with Edwards. He should get at least this year to prove himself. Look at how Goodson improved from year 1 to 2. Lets see what happens before calling him a bust.

Edwards has been discussed ad nauseum (He can't make plays if the coach won't put him in.) but a lot of people here seem to forget that Brown was coming on pretty strong at the end of the year.

Late in the season, you could see the light go off, and he had 3.5 sacks over the last five games. Will he ever be able to put up Peppers/Allen type numbers, probably not. But if you project those stats over a whole season, he could easily be a double digit sack guy.

I don't know if Hurney is all that great but as you say he isn't terrible. The way he get crucified around here you would think he was more like McMillan.

I think you meant Matt Millen. And yes, you are right, Hurney is IMO, at worst an average GM. If said recent gambles pan out, he would be in the top 5 conversation easily.

[AceMan]

To me...Hurney/Fox/Delhomme are so alike it's damn near scary. All of them have been average for the most part....and when it's time to get rid of them, we won't until it's too late. It would not surprise me at all if Hurney bombs this draft. And he WILL get fired if he bombs again.

Let's hope that I'm wrong and Hurney has learned his lesson from gambling/mortgaging our future out of desperation.

Also, don't let the stats fool you on E.Brown. He was performing better, but he was still getting punish in the run game and still spinning out of control. But, I do think some quality DTs will help him out a bit.

[Mr. Scot]

Let's put the question this way.

Suppose you're a GM who:

- has hit on 80-90% of your first round picks

- been so-so on second round picks

- had batted around .500 or maybe a little better in the third and fourth rounds

- has kept around 30% or so of the lower round picks on roster and has even gotten an occasional late round steal

Is this the resume of a successful GM?

[Zithers]

let me know when hurney drafts a future hall of famer

Peppers was drafted by Hurney wasn't he? He could potentially be one.

He's probably the best player out of that draft along with Reed and Freeney...

[Catalyst]

Newsome & Hurney are extremely similar as GM's, IMO.

[Ohio]

Let's put the question this way.

Suppose you're a GM who:

- has hit on 80-90% of your first round picks

- been so-so on second round picks

- had batted around .500 or maybe a little better in the third and fourth rounds

- has kept around 30% or so of the lower round picks on roster and has even gotten an occasional late round steal

Is this the resume of a successful GM?

The 2nd round picks are NOT so so, and your missing a big component. Free Agency which Hurney has been an amateur.

And to answer the question, no. We haven't won. We're not the Chargers, a team who has great talent but can't win do to coaching. We had a mediocre coach with a majority of mediocre players.

[Stumpy]

The 2nd round picks are NOT so so, and your missing a big component. Free Agency which Hurney has been an amateur.

And to answer the question, no. We haven't won. We're not the Chargers, a team who has great talent but can't win do to coaching. We had a mediocre coach with a majority of mediocre players.

So out of ten 2nd round picks, (DeShaun Foster, Bruce Nelson, Keary Colbert, Eric Shelton, Richard Marshall, Dwayne Jarrett, Ryan Kalil, Everette Brown, Sherrod Martin and Jimmy Clausen) he has picked 4 starters, 4 busts and 2 who cannot accurately be judged yet. If you exclude Pickles and the Tasmanian Devil, Hurney has a 50% starter average. Find me another GM with those kind of numbers in the second round, who is almost perfect in the first round, and I'll show you a pretty damn good GM.

As for the FAs, yes, he has had his share of bombs. (Wahle, Hartwig, Hackett, Landon Johnson I'm sure there are some I am missing.) He was also able to find quite a few players who have been solid contributors/starters for multiple seasons. (Kemo, Lewis, Lucas, Harris, Brayton, Vincent and IIRC Proehl again, I'm sure I am missing some.)

[thefuzz]

Let's put the question this way.

Suppose you're a GM who:

- has hit on 80-90% of your first round picks

- been so-so on second round picks

- had batted around .500 or maybe a little better in the third and fourth rounds

- has kept around 30% or so of the lower round picks on roster and has even gotten an occasional late round steal

Is this the resume of a successful GM?

I feel like I am alway bashing Hurney, but when you spend most of your firsts during your tenure on LB's and RB's, it's pretty easy to hit on them.

I don't consider Otah a hit, nor Brown, and I am still upset about Thomas Davis, and the two RB's in the first in 3 years.

[Ohio]

So out of ten 2nd round picks, (DeShaun Foster, Bruce Nelson, Keary Colbert, Eric Shelton, Richard Marshall, Dwayne Jarrett, Ryan Kalil, Everette Brown, Sherrod Martin and Jimmy Clausen) he has picked 4 starters, 4 busts and 2 who cannot accurately be judged yet. If you exclude Pickles and the Tasmanian Devil, Hurney has a 50% starter average. Find me another GM with those kind of numbers in the second round, who is almost perfect in the first round, and I'll show you a pretty damn good GM.

As for the FAs, yes, he has had his share of bombs. (Wahle, Hartwig, Hackett, Landon Johnson I'm sure there are some I am missing.) He was also able to find quite a few players who have been solid contributors/starters for multiple seasons. (Kemo, Lewis, Lucas, Harris, Brayton, Vincent and IIRC Proehl again, I'm sure I am missing some.)

I think the better question is, is how many pro bowlers has he drafted or brought in? If you just want everyday starters, that's not what's going to help you win games in the playoffs against more talented teams.

How about this former GM, Ernie Accorsi

He drafted Jeremy Shockey 1st round

Kevin Walter 7th round

Osi Umenyiora 2nd round

Chris Snee 2nd round

Justin Tuck 2nd round

Brandon Jacobs 3rd round

Barry Cofield 4th round

How about his successor, Jerry Reese

Aaron Ross 1st round

Steve Smith 2nd round

Kevin Boss 5th round

Ahmad Bradshaw 7th round - All the same draft ^^^

Kenny Phillips 1st round

Mario Manningham 3rd round

Hakeem Nicks 1st round