You know who we should pick up in FA who would really help?

[Mr. Scot]

Ok, fine. You can't "see" another system being used... but you can't make definitive statements about what players would be a good fit for our "system", until you know, factually what that system is. Not what you THINK it is going to be... but what the coaches have said it will be.

There's load of evidence suggesting that they'll be running a Coryell.

Can you produce any sort of evidence suggesting they'd go WCO?

If you just wanna say "anything's possible" then they conceivably could go Run and Shoot, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[ncmonzta]

A hybrid Air-Coryell/WCO :rofl::smilielol5:

There's only two types of offense possible in the world now? Don't crack yourself up.:rolleyes:

[ncmonzta]

There's load of evidence suggesting that they'll be running a Coryell.

Can you produce any sort of evidence suggesting they'd go WCO?

If you just wanna say "anything's possible" then they conceivably could go Run and Shoot, but I wouldn't bet on it.

You don't think he's customizing the offense to fit our team?

[blackcatgrowl]

There's load of evidence suggesting that they'll be running a Coryell.

Can you produce any sort of evidence suggesting they'd go WCO?

If you just wanna say "anything's possible" then they conceivably could go Run and Shoot, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Ahh... but I'm not the one saying that Hasselback wouldn't "fit our system". (Again, not that I want him... just saying this is an invalid reason to not want him.)

[CRA]

You don't think he's customizing the offense to fit our team?

I think he will tweak his offense for our team.....his offense would be the same regardless of where he coaches. imo.

[Mr. Scot]

You don't think he's customizing the offense to fit our team?

The playbook is already written. If you look back at the videos where they interviewed Chudzinski you can see him working in it. And that's what they gave "a form of" to the quarterback candidates to see how well they could handle it.

The basic offensive framework, terminology and guiding principles will be Coryell. You "tweak" an attack in the sense that you adapt what you're doing within that system. For example, if you have strong receivers but lousy runningback, you pass more. Or say you have injuries to your offensive line and you're having a tough time with pressure. You respond to that by calling more short passes than long ones or cutting your QB drops down to three steps rather than five or seven.

They're not gonna rewrite the whole thing based on who they draft. Adapting it means emphasizes some things and not others, but all within the same basic framework. They're not drawing plays in the dirt.

[ncmonzta]

They're not gonna rewrite the whole thing based on who they draft. Adapting it means emphasizes some things and not others, but all within the same basic framework. They're not drawing plays in the dirt.

So you're telling me if they draft Newton or Mallet they're going to just either run it more or pass it more. I'm sure if they draft Newton Chud will go to the chalkboard and start using a little more creativity and come up with some new plays and different formations don't forget we have our own Randel El type of WR that can also pass. Norv didn't have those type of options. I get your point that it should be a coryell based offense but it's not going to look exactly like norv turner is calling plays every down.

[Stumpy]

I get your point that it should be a coryell based offense but it's not going to look exactly like norv turner is calling plays every down.

You are right, it probably won't look exactly like Norv's ACO, but it will look nothing like a West Coast Offense.

[Mr. Scot]

So you're telling me if they draft Newton or Mallet they're going to just either run it more or pass it more. I'm sure if they draft Newton Chud will go to the chalkboard and start using a little more creativity and come up with some new plays and different formations don't forget we have our own Randel El type of WR that can also pass. Norv didn't have those type of options. I get your point that it should be a coryell based offense but it's not going to look exactly like norv turner is calling plays every down.

Like I said, the playbook's already written.

They're gonna draft or sign somebody they think can run it. Why else would they have given "quizzes"?

If they don't think a guy can run it, they won't pick him.

If they pick a guy they think can run it, and it turns out he can't, they'll bench him and get someone who can.

That's the Steeler model. They have the system in place and pick guys who fit it. They'll tweak and adjust, but they won't redo the whole thing for one guy (not even a quarterback).

[Marguide]

Everybody has made valid points here, at least to some extent. There is maybe a 1% chance we would run a WCO. It just doesn't make sense.

However, any coach worth their salt will make adjustments to better utilize the people they are coaching.

As to the original question, I also thought of Hasselbeck as a good option, but Scott is right, he probably would not succeed in Chud's system.

[blackcatgrowl]

Like I said, the playbook's already written.

They're gonna draft or sign somebody they think can run it. Why else would they have given "quizzes"?

If they don't think a guy can run it, they won't pick him.

If they pick a guy they think can run it, and it turns out he can't, they'll bench him and get someone who can.

That's the Steeler model. They have the system in place and pick guys who fit it. They'll tweak and adjust, but they won't redo the whole thing for one guy (not even a quarterback).

Yeah, but who's to say Chud and Rivera haven't extensively modified the playbook to resemble something Hasselback *could* come in and learn?

Have you seen the play book? Do you know if it has ALL deep and mid routes and no short slants or hitch routes? Can you say for certain that it isn't going to be something completely new and innovative?

Here's the bottom line... legendary coaches are known for innovation, because their new techniques and formulas in the playbook lead to success. Styles of offense are named after these guys not because they followed a script handed down to them from their predecessors, but because they used creativity to give defenses something they could not game plan for.

Rivera, in his formal media introduction, was very clear that he understands that unpredictability is a key to success, and noted that we lacked that in recent years. If he runs a traditional Coryell, people will spot it in a couple games, and have his number. Hell, Fox's game plan was pretty much a modified Coryell, because we were almost always playing from behind.

Unless he's just blowing smoke, Rivera knows this isn't going to work anymore, and is preparing something unlike we've seen in Charlotte before, or perhaps anyone has seen before. Like I said... we might be calling his innovation the "Chico Offense" after a few years and some success.

[Mr. Scot]

Yeah, but who's to say Chud and Rivera haven't extensively modified the playbook to resemble something Hasselback *could* come in and learn?

Have you seen the play book? Do you know if it has ALL deep and mid routes and no short slants or hitch routes? Can you say for certain that it isn't going to be something completely new and innovative?

Here's the bottom line... legendary coaches are known for innovation, because their new techniques and formulas in the playbook lead to success. Styles of offense are named after these guys not because they followed a script handed down to them from their predecessors, but because they used creativity to give defenses something they could not game plan for.

Rivera, in his formal media introduction, was very clear that he understands that unpredictability is a key to success, and noted that we lacked that in recent years. If he runs a traditional Coryell, people will spot it in a couple games, and have his number. Hell, Fox's game plan was pretty much a modified Coryell, because we were almost always playing from behind.

Unless he's just blowing smoke, Rivera knows this isn't going to work anymore, and is preparing something unlike we've seen in Charlotte before, or perhaps anyone has seen before. Like I said... we might be calling his innovation the "Chico Offense" after a few years and some success.

What you're talking about would likely mean changing the whole fundamental core of what they do.

That's a bit much for me.

[blackcatgrowl]

What you're talking about would likely mean changing the whole fundamental core of what they do.

That's a bit much for me.

When Bill Walsh inherited the 49ers in 1981, he came to them with experience working under several different NFL coaches. There were some that kind of had similar ideas on offense, but nothing exactly like what he created with the WCO.

I'm not saying we're going WCO, but its entirely possible that we could have something with elements from it. I would say comments on Tight End usage indicate a shorter passing game.

And back to my point... you don't know what the system is. I don't know what the system is. No one does but the coaches and staff of the panthers who have access to the playbook as written. So we can't, not yet, say what player will fit here yet based on what their predecessors did.

[CatMan72]

No thanks, the guy is held together by chewing gum and duct tape at this point...