You know who we should pick up in FA who would really help?

[blackcatgrowl]

I think it will be a new system specifically designed to fit our team anything else what be kind of stupid to try

Well... sure...

But a new coach is going to go after players that fit his idea of what he wants to do. If we bring in a QB like Hasselback (not that I'm for this at all), how can anyone say he wouldn't "fit the system"?

[ncmonzta]

Well... sure...

But a new coach is going to go after players that fit his idea of what he wants to do. If we bring in a QB like Hasselback (not that I'm for this at all), how can anyone say he wouldn't "fit the system"?

i agree with you. I don't buy that a vet such as hasselback or mcnabb can't learn a new system after all these years in the league the terminology should be the adjustment. To me its all about the coaches playcalling if they call the right plays for the right players there shouldn't be an issue

[Mr. Scot]

How do you know that? What kind of "system" do you think we are we going to have under Rivera?

IIRC, there's been no mention of any specific offense we're going to run. In fact, the ONLY thing I've seen is Chud showing a reporter a white board with a formation that could be used in several various and remarkably different "systems".

Every single coach hired on the offensive side of the ball has worked directly for either Norv Turner or Turner's mentor, Ernie Zampese, and that's not an accident.

Turner and Zampese ran a Coryell system. It tends to be run heavy and the ability to do play action effectively is key. It's also big on multiple formations, timing patterns and a fair amount of chucking it downfield.

Hasselbeck has played exclusively in a West Coast Offense. That type of attack is predicated on short, high-percentage passes and receivers getting yards after catch. It also needs a mobile quarterback more so than a conventional offense because the backs are usually running routes rather than blocking. The run is less important because they use short passes as long handoffs.

Over the past several years, a number of WCO quarterbacks have moved on to new systems. I couldn't name you a single one that succeeded. I can, however, name you several that looked anywhere from mediocre to awful.

West Coast QBs just don't transition well to conventional offenses like the Coryell system, and I seriously doubt the team assembled a staff of Coryell all stars just to run something else.

[ncmonzta]

Every single coach hired on the offensive side of the ball has worked directly for either Norv Turner or Turner's mentor, Ernie Zampese, and that's not an accident.

Turner and Zampese ran a Coryell system. It tends to be run heavy and the ability to do play action effectively is key. It's also big on multiple formations, timing patterns and a fair amount of chucking it downfield.

Hasselbeck has played exclusively in a West Coast Offense. That type of attack is predicated on short, high-percentage passes and receivers getting yards after catch. It also needs a mobile quarterback more so than a conventional offense because the backs are usually running routes rather than blocking. The run is less important because they use short passes as long handoffs.

Over the past several years, a number of WCO quarterbacks have moved on to new systems. I couldn't name you a single one that succeeded. I can name you several that looked anywhere from mediocre to awful.

West Coast QBs just don't transition well to conventional offenses like the Coryell system, and I seriously doubt the team assembled a staff of Coryell all stars just to run something else.

Yo Scot, Im really happy for that explanation and all that sounds great but...Cam Newton is the greatest college QB of all time

edit: seriously it all depends on the player and the team when it comes to playing in a new offense

[Mr. Scot]

Yo Scot, Im really happy for that explanation and all that sounds great but...Cam Newton is the greatest college QB of all time

Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch were some of the greatest college QBs of all time too.

But we're discussing Hasselbeck.

[blackcatgrowl]

Every single coach hired on the offensive side of the ball has worked directly for either Norv Turner or Turner's mentor, Ernie Zampese, and that's not an accident.

Turner and Zampese ran a Coryell system. It tends to be run heavy and the ability to do play action effectively is key. It's also big on multiple formations, timing patterns and a fair amount of chucking it downfield.

Hasselbeck has played exclusively in a West Coast Offense. That type of attack is predicated on short, high-percentage passes and receivers getting yards after catch. It also needs a mobile quarterback more so than a conventional offense because the backs are usually running routes rather than blocking. The run is less important because they use short passes as long handoffs.

Over the past several years, a number of WCO quarterbacks have moved on to new systems. I couldn't name you a single one that succeeded. I can, however, name you several that looked anywhere from mediocre to awful.

West Coast QBs just don't transition well to conventional offenses like the Coryell system, and I seriously doubt the team assembled a staff of Coryell all stars just to run something else.

That's a WHOLE lot of information about past associations, but it's a WHOLE lot of conjecture there buddy.

Please link me an article where Chud or Rivera say we're running X-type-of-offense.

For all we know, they could be coming in here with a completely new type of offense we've never seen before. Hell, one day someone might say the Panthers were the first team to run a "Chico" offense.

[Mr. Scot]

That's a WHOLE lot of information about past associations, but it's a WHOLE lot of conjecture there buddy.

Please link me an article where Chud or Rivera say we're running X-type-of-offense.

For all we know, they could be coming in here with a completely new type of offense we've never seen before. Hell, one day someone might say the Panthers were the first team to run a "Chico" offense.

You seriously think we hired a bunch of Coryell all-stars just to have them run some other system? :confused:

("okay guys, we know none of you have any West Coast Offense experience, but that's what we're gonna run so you might want to start hitting the books")

[blackcatgrowl]

You seriously think we hired a bunch of Coryell all-stars just to have them run some other system? :confused:

("okay guys, we know none of you have any West Coast Offense experience, but that's what we're gonna run so you might want to start hitting the books")

Uh... yeah... they might. Maybe they want it to look like they are going to play a specific way, then shock everyone with something totally different. Rivera has made comments to the effect that to have success in the NFL, you have to be unpredictable.

Besides, just cause you assistant-coached in a particular system used by a specific coach, doesn't mean that's all you know or can do.

[Mr. Scot]

Uh... yeah... they might. Maybe they want it to look like they are going to play a specific way, then shock everyone with something totally different. Rivera has made comments to the effect that to have success in the NFL, you have to be unpredictable.

Besides, just cause you assistant-coached in a particular system used by a specific coach, doesn't mean that's all you know or can do.

Uuuuhhh...not likely.

They'll put their own spin on it (all smart coaches do) but it'd be an extreme reach to say the base system will be anything other than Coryell principles and terminology.

On the defensive side, expect a zone blitz scheme. It'll primarily be run out of a 4-3 (Jim Johnson style) but theyll incorporate 3-4 too (Dick LeBeau style).

[ncmonzta]

Uuuuhhh...not likely.

They'll put their own spin on it (all smart coaches do) but it'd be an extreme reach to say the base system will be anything other than Coryell principles and terminology.

It's not that much of a reach. You don't know what they or don't know. It could be hybrid offense. I'm pretty sure if they sign a QB or draft Cam Newton you'll see something specifically designed for him and the other players on the field. It's not going to be a basic Coryell. Like you said they'll put a spin on the offense to fit whoever's on the field if they're smart which they seem to be. I think Rivera is going to have this team running like we always knew it could.

[Stumpy]

It could be hybrid offense.

A hybrid Air-Coryell/WCO :rofl::smilielol5:

[blackcatgrowl]

Uuuuhhh...not likely.

They'll put their own spin on it (all smart coaches do) but it'd be an extreme reach to say the base system will be anything other than Coryell principles and terminology.

On the defensive side, expect a zone blitz scheme. It'll primarily be run out of a 4-3 (Jim Johnson style) but theyll incorporate 3-4 too (Dick LeBeau style).

My point is this:

Until you can produce something from the coaching staff regarding comments about what type of offense they will run, you do not know what the "system" will be.

[Mr. Scot]

You guys are really reaching on this one :sosp:

Here's an old article about the Chargers Coryell offense under Turner, with comments from then Chargers DC Ron Rivera (link).

Neat, yes. Effective, too. Historically so.

Not only because of the sun-splashed, pass-friendly city where they play, but also because of the way the Chargers have Rivers spreading the ball around to an extraordinary array of receivers of all shapes and sizes, it’s only natural to note the football DNA that’s been handed down from Sid Gillman to Coryell to Norv Turner (via Ernie Zampese).

“The system has evolved,” says Fouts, who worked a half-dozen Chargers games this season as a CBS analyst. “Norv’s taken it and massaged it and watered it and set it. He’s added to the Coryell system.

“That’s what all good coaches do. You can’t stand pat. That’s what made Coryell so great. He was always tinkering, changing something to make it better.”

The 21st-century Chargers are still striving to do better than Air Coryell in both the statistical sense and the ultimate sense, the latter being a berth in the Super Bowl, something that eluded the offensive juggernaut manned by Fouts and Kellen Winslow and Charlie Joiner and John Jefferson and Wes Chandler.

“I grew up on the West Coast, so those were the guys I grew up watching,” says Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera. “Man, they were loaded.”

Rivera saw Air Coryell from a different perspective as a rookie linebacker with the Chicago Bears. He recalls the awe he felt just watching film in preparation for a 1984 game at San Diego.

“You saw Coryell’s dynamic approach to attacking defenses, getting the ball upfield, the fast pace they played,” Rivera says. “When you talked about the Chargers, you talked about the points they scored and the great players they had.”

One thing you should be able to easily pick up if you've heard Rivera talk in the past few months is that he has a load of respect for the offensive mind of Norv Turner.

There's no way I can see us running something other than a Coryell offense. It just doesn't make any sense.

[blackcatgrowl]

Ok, fine. You can't "see" another system being used... but you can't make definitive statements about what players would be a good fit for our "system", until you know, factually what that system is. Not what you THINK it is going to be... but what the coaches have said it will be.