Honestly given the perception of the QBs at the time they were drafted...

[nagai]

How can you consider him an above average NFL QB already?

That's absurd

Yeah I agree. WTF man? This guy's labled the biggest boom or bust pick of the draft, hasn't even played a single down in the NFL yet, and you're saying that he's already an above average QB? In fact, you're saying that other people are being defensive for not thinking that... :smilielol5:

[Catalyst]

My opinion of 1st round QB's since 2005 as best I remember them.

Alex Smith: Indifferent; didn't know that much about him

Aaron Rodgers: Steal for the Packers

Jason Campbell: Indifferent again

Vince Young: Bust waiting to happen

Matt Leinart: Steal for the Cardinals

Jay Cutler: 50/50 boom or bust prospect

JaMarcus Russell: Bust waiting to happen; only 1st because the Raiders are picking

Brady Quinn: Didn't see what the big deal was

Matt Ryan: Really liked him, but concerned with his high INT stats

Joe Flacco: Too early for him to be picked; not sold on D2 QB's

Matthew Stafford: Indifferent

Mark Sanchez: Not worth the hype

Josh Freeman: Reminded me of Big Ben

Sam Bradford: Huge injury risk, but big potential if healthy

The Golden Calf of Bristol: Superstar potential if he can make the transition

[jarhead]

I think it comes down to people being afraid of being bad more than they want to be good. Which is understandable...a bunch of 8-8 seasons is much better than 2-14.

What I think is odd is that the panthers don't seem to be interested in Gabbert...not sure why. I guess that's the only possible smokescreen I've seen so far. Imagine this...I even heard that the Bills could "pay us" for Newton (which we take) and then we take Gabbert who we wanted all along. But honestly I think they just don't like him...they didn't even show up at his pro day.

It does appear they are snubbing Gabbert or it could be there is more hype surrounding the others..I really do not know.I do not think Gabbert is as athletic but I am more concerned about the cerebial effort and dedication to it takes to play at the NFL level.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

How can you consider him an above average NFL QB already?

That's absurd

And you are back once again, taking things out of context. Look back at my post, read it again, then come back and discuss this with me. I did not say that he was an above average NFL quarterback, I said he was an above average quarterback. That means all-around throughout the highschool, college, and NFL level, Newton would be considered an above average quarterback.

Now as far as Newton not being worth the #1 overall pick, well I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I believe he has the potential to make himself well worth the #1 overall pick and I believe he has the drive, motivation, and athleticism to alter his skill set into a top caliber NFL quarterback. One doesn't need to be scared of failing when our entire offense failed last year because of ONE position, the quarterback position and unfortuanatley Matt Moore and Jimmy Clausen do not have high ceilings.

Matt Moore's ceiling is pretty much what we saw out of when he took over the last five or six games two years ago for the Panthers. He played very well but there was no pressure on him at all and all of a sudden when there is pressure to win he falters. Cam Newton did not falter once this year and he had pressure on him to win every game especially the games after the investigation which is when he came under so much heat and scrutiny. That alone proves that Newton has shown and definitley has the ability to be a quarterback that can put the team on his back and lead them to the finish line.

Jimmy Clausen's cieling is a career backup. Most of his passes from a PRO-STYLE offense were dump downs at Notre Dame and that came to haunt the Panthers has Clausen was afraid to throw the deep ball when he needed to or when he didn't need to throw the deep ball he did which resulted in an interception (this happened on many occasions) Cam's 10.1 yards per pass instantly lets the fans know that are underestimating his accuracy and overall passing ability that he can complete passes and he is not soley a running quarterback like so many have come to label him.

Those are just two things that Newton has that Moore and Clausen do not.

[CatMan72]

I think the expectation this year was set so high by Luck being "the greatest QB prospect since Peyton Manning" that anybody else seems like a big letdown... which may not be the case.

Just go back to last year, Clausen was supposed to be much more "NFL ready" than Bradford or McCoy and look how that turned out.

QB's are funny, you never know what you've got until you put them in the game. There are guys who are not "NFL ready" and find a way to win anyways. If you had told me McCoy would be a much better rookie QB than Clausen I would have laughed in your face, I thought McCoy was a classic "system quarterback" insulated by a mountain of talent at Texas while Clausen was a guy making something out of nothing at ND.

I will never again discount the value of being a "winner" which is why I have high hopes for Cam. I don't care how "NFL ready" you are... can you win?

[OneBadassCat]

Lol Matt Moore was a great college QB too, as was Jimmy Clausen. Cam Newton ran for a bunch of yards in big games, so obviously he's ready to be an elite caliber QB.

I hate to break it to you guys but Matt Moore, and for all we know Jimmy Clausen are better NFL QB's than Cam Newton. And you can't dispute that. Let's not compare NFL games to college ones. Newton is being drafted purely for his potential.

Y'all can get mad about that.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Lol Matt Moore was a great college QB too, as was Jimmy Clausen. Cam Newton ran for a bunch of yards in big games, so obviously he's ready to be an elite caliber QB.

I hate to break it to you guys but Matt Moore, and for all we know Jimmy Clausen are better NFL QB's than Cam Newton. And you can't dispute that. Let's not compare NFL games to college ones.

Jimmy Clausen and Matt Moore were not great college QB's and neither are NFL quarterbacks, they are NFL back-ups. Matt Moore was not even close to being a great college touchdown to interception ratio was 29 to 26 which is pretty much what a career back up's looks like.

Now as far as Clausen goes, Newton threw 30 touchdown passes this year compared to Clausen's highest of 28. Newton not only threw for more than two touchdown passes than Clausen he had 17 more rushing touchdowns than Clausen.

Lets not compare career backups to starting talent please.

[TheRealDeal]

That means all-around throughout the highschool, college, and NFL level, Newton would be considered an above average quarterback.

WTF does that mean? You just said it again. How can you say at the NFL level, he's an above average QB? He hasn't taken a snap.

Every single QB that is talked about being drafted or getting a shot in the NFL is an above average QB in college and HS, every single one of them so Newton is not special in that way. I wouldn't have said anything but when you say he's an above average quarterback at the NFL level, it's just crazy, absolutely crazy. You are so out of touch with reality it's insane.

[mav1234]

Now as far as Clausen goes, Newton threw 30 touchdown passes this year compared to Clausen's highest of 28.

Do you know who has the most TDs thrown in a college football season?

[teeray]

Do you know who has the most TDs thrown in a college football season?

??

[Peppers90 NC]

ONLY BRADFORD WAS TAKEN WITH THE FIRST PICK, and only Sanchez was a possible "reach" where he was drafted. This isn't very relevant for our scenario. All of those guys were regarded as first round talent, and that isn't disputed with Cam or Bland, just are they worth the first pick?

I personally was skeptical about Bradford with his injuries, and he has plenty more years to get injured, so he hasnt escaped that yet.

The closer we get to the draft, the more I like the idea of us drafting Cam, but it wont be until he blows up on the field that I believe he is the best player in the draft.

[CAVSS]

Yep it was Colt.

[Peppers90 NC]

Sanchez sucks. Everyone stop including him in these discussions.

Fail.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

WTF does that mean? You just said it again. How can you say at the NFL level, he's an above average QB? He hasn't taken a snap.

Every single QB that is talked about being drafted or getting a shot in the NFL is an above average QB in college and HS, every single one of them so Newton is not special in that way. I wouldn't have said anything but when you say he's an above average quarterback at the NFL level, it's just crazy, absolutely crazy. You are so out of touch with reality it's insane.

A comma separates a fugging thought for crying out loud. If your going to infer from my posts at least infer from what I mean. In high school Newton was an above average QB, in college Newton was a phenominal QB, so in the NFL he has the ability to be an above average to a phenominal QB. This is what is called a cieling. DAMNIT!!!