Honestly given the perception of the QBs at the time they were drafted...

[TheRealDeal]

If Alex Smith goes to the Jets and wins a superbowl 5 years from now, that doesn't mean he wasn't a bust.

Dude is a bust.

[TheRealDeal]

You know you can make all your points in one post right?? ;)

It's my new style

[Mr. Scot]

Doesn't really matter though no does it, he won a SB and thats what every team wants to accomplish.

So did Brad Johnson.

No GM in existence would tell you either of those guys was worth a #1 overall pick.

[frash.exe]

Your original post didn't say both in the same game. And if that's what you want, you may want to go back and check because that may disqualify some of the guys you're talking about.

And as much of a Grossman critic as I am, he wasn't bad in the 2006 postseason. Had Cedric Benson not wussed out after taking a nasty shot from Bob Sanders early, he might even have ended up with a ring.

what I said about Sanchez was in response to someone making a retarded statement that he sucks

[teeray]

It's my new style

You're welcome.

[teeray]

If Alex Smith goes to the Jets and wins a superbowl 5 years from now, that doesn't mean he wasn't a bust.

Dude is a bust.

Although this will not happen, what if he blows up and goes all Rich Gannon and wins an MVP and kills it. AND wins a Super Bowl.

How do we classify him then??

[TheRealDeal]

Depends for who and for how long he does it

[TheRealDeal]

One year wouldn't be enough for him

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

So did Brad Johnson.

No GM in existence would tell you either of those guys was worth a #1 overall pick.

But if they knew they were going to win a SB they would have taken him.

The point is, you don't have to be a franchise QB to win a SB; but you do have to have a above average QB to be succesful in the league and Newton is definitley an above average QB whether you want to admit it or not.

[TheRealDeal]

How can you consider him an above average NFL QB already?

That's absurd

[Mr. Scot]

But if they knew they were going to win a SB they would have taken him.

The point is, you don't have to be a franchise QB to win a SB; but you do have to have a above average QB to be succesful in the league and Newton is definitley an above average QB whether you want to admit it or not.

If I'm taking a QB at number one, in the division we play in, he'd better be a franchise QB.

If I don't believe he's a franchise QB, I'm not interested at #1, and none of the guys in this year's draft say 'franchise" to me.

"Above average" at the college level doesn't sell me on the top overall pick.

[nagai]

^this is an example of a gambler's fallacy btw

Formal logic in the Huddle?! :eek: I never thought I'll see the day.

Yeah, I do hate it when prospects just get thrown into some category. It's dangerous to take away the strengths/weaknesses specific to the prospect, it's not just a pure lottery.

This type of argument isn't just used in the anti QB camp though, the risk/reward argument is pretty much the same thing.

[Udogg]

It's a down year in the quarterback market. It happens.

No one knows this for sure. We could be looking at the greatest QB class in history. It's feasible that Newton, Gabbert, Lock, and Mallet go in the first round. They may all end up battling each other for years to come. They may all bust. Hell, Andrew Luck could drop with a Locker type year, especially with no Harbaugh this year. Only thing will tell is time. Saying this year QB class sucks in just as much of a shot in the dark as saying next years class will be the greatest ever.

[Verge]