Honestly given the perception of the QBs at the time they were drafted...

[mav1234]

LOL Stupid Giants. Should have gotten Tommie Harris. Look at all the Super Bowls Chicago is winning with a great DT.

because the only possible way EVER to get a decent quarterback is by drafting them #1 overall.

[ncbobcat]

...would you say that any of these guys were good enough to spend a first round pick on?

I remember people saying Ryan wouldn't amount to anything (few), Bradford was damaged goods, nobody had Flacco near the first round, Freeman would set the bucs back years, Mark Sanchez was taking advantage of a "weak" QB class by declaring early and would be drafted earlier than he should. Gabbert's been getting flak because he "HASN'T THROWN ENOUGH TDS" yet he threw one less for his college career than both Sanchez and Flacco and only four less than Freeman (and if you only go by the last two years for each, he actually had more than Freeman).

are this year's picks not extraordinary or are you guys just being irrationally hypercritical like you've always been?

Nope, but are you buying into the hype that surrounds most first round like the countless number that have flopped?

[Tarheels23]

Pretty much.

If your achievements didn't come with the team that drafted you, then you can't really be called "a great pick".

True, but you can't be called a bust either. Drew Brees is far from a bust.

[frash.exe]

Nope, but are you buying into the hype that surrounds most first round like the countless number that have flopped?

well if you're going by hype PP has more right now than anybody else in this draft

[CAVSS]

because the only possible way EVER to get a decent quarterback is by drafting them #1 overall.

No the best way to get a QB is to pick the best in the draft (if the FO determines that there is one worth taking) and take him at whatever spot you pick if he is there. We simply have the luxury of not worrying about someone else picking him up.

You don't have to take a QB in the first round to get a successful QB but it increases your odds exponentially. (thats actually an understatement)

[Sword]

A lot of number 1 picks go to crappy organizations that are perennial bottom dwellers and a culture of losing with coaches that reflect that. It's no doubt that so many of them fail..I would like to think we have a better team then that.

[mav1234]

True, but you can't be called a bust either. Drew Brees is far from a bust.

Nah, Vick, Bledsoe, Vinny T... Not busts. Just disappointments for the teams that drafted them.

Can't really even put Brees in that category because he did perform for the Chargers and got moved to make room for Rivers. and you don't draft a QB in the second or even late in the first. and expect the same out of a #1.

[ncbobcat]

"well if you're going by hype PP has more right now than anybody else in this draft"

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True, but the thread is about QBs.

[mav1234]

No the best way to get a QB is to pick the best in the draft (if the FO determines that there is one worth taking) and take him at whatever spot you pick if he is there. We simply have the luxury of not worrying about someone else picking him up.

You don't have to take a QB in the first round to get a successful QB but it increases your odds exponentially. (thats actually an understatement)

I didn't say *first round*, I said #1 overall.

Big, big difference.

For instance, there is a very good chance that next year there could be a pretty darn good quarterback prospect we could snag , even if they aren't named Andrew Luck. Now, this is assuming the team isn't sold on Newton or Gabbert of course; if they are, they'll take him... just because I'm not sold does not mean they aren't.

[Mr. Scot]

Even "first round" isn't always assured.

There was a year when the best quarterbacks available with a first round grade were Heath Shuler and Trent Dilfer.

[teeray]

You guys would get along great with the Bills franchise. :lol:

[teeray]

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I don't think you understand. You don't draft a player #1 to benefit that player, you do it to benefit your team. I'm glad for Kerry Collins that he's had a great career, but can you really say that the Panthers really got a lot out of picking him?

Same goes for the others...

Well then Vick was a smash hit for the Falcons. Vick took an irrelevant franchise and (along with Arthur Blank) made must watch TV, one of the best franchises, and made a sh*t ton of money that allowed the team to make moves and take some chances in free agency like this one:

On March 2, 2008, the Atlanta Falcons signed Turner to a six-year, $34.5 million contract with $15 million guaranteed

So in a lot of ways Vick was huge for ATL even though he is no longer there.

[mav1234]

Well then Vick was a smash hit for the Falcons. Vick took an irrelevant franchise and (along with Arthur Blank) made must watch TV, one of the best franchises, and made a sh*t ton of money that allowed the team to make moves and take some chances in free agency like this one:

So in a lot of ways Vick was huge for ATL even though he is no longer there.

lol...

I think you are confused about how the NFL and TV contracts work, but okay. :)

Turner's signing had little to do with Vick.

[teeray]

lol...

I think you are confused about how the NFL and TV contracts work, but okay. :)

Turner's signing had little to do with Vick.

The more profitable a franchise is the more guaranteed money they are willing to throw at a back up RB. Like $15 million.

That likely had a lot to do with the money they had made off Vick.