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If you believe QBs need to sit in order to be successful, you're basically a retard.

SmootsDaddy89

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mav1234 Grand Master

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Next you guys are going to try and argue that Flacco and Ryan are elite as well.

Wait Eli is a top 5 QB!

Blah Blah Blah

That team makes Ben, not the other way around

I think it's about time for another "Are these 10 quarterbacks Elite, Great, Game Manager, Terrible" thread again. or whatever the labels were, lol.

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Some fans need to realize what exactly is meant by the phrase "a player needs to be able to adapt to the speed of the NFL." I think most think that it's about the actual speed of the players. While that is very much is a part of it, the speed of the NFL has so much more to do with the ability of the players to process information, make a decission, apply that decission to your body, and then use that speed and power to execute.

Of all the QBs in this year's draft, Dalton actually is the QB that would have a quick translation to the "speed of the NFL" in my opinion. Newton, Gabbert, Mallet and Locker all seem to have a higher learning curve. They just have a much higher precieved ceiling and thus the reason they are projected to go in the 1st round and Dalton is a 2nd/3rd rounder.

And this does apply to every position. QB is no harder to be a starter as a rookie than any other position. If you know the information and have the mental capabilities to process that information, you can have success as a rookie at any position. QBs in general have more information than other positions at a vertern level but rookie QB (Ryan, Flacco, Rothslinberger ect) were all limited in the amount of information that were given. Their success came from the same mental capabilities that made Jon Beason had as a rookie.

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I think it's about time for another "Are these 10 quarterbacks Elite, Great, Game Manager, Terrible" thread again. or whatever the labels were, lol.

I might bump it but I would probably get eaten alive for not having Cam as "elite" already

The main point is that most QBs in the NFL are average/game managers and they rely heavily on their team. There are very very very very very few QBs who should be considered elite.

Those guys do more with less than anybody and can carry their team more than just a week here or there.

I honestly believe it's because people don't take the time to look into the NFL and recognize QB names so they assume team=good, QB = Good and it's just not the case.

Most of those guys have good to great starting casts and it shows when they play. When their cast is down, they usually play bad as well.

Oh well.

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I might bump it but I would probably get eaten alive for not having Cam as "elite" already

The main point is that most QBs in the NFL are average/game managers and they rely heavily on their team. There are very very very very very few QBs who should be considered elite.

Those guys do more with less than anybody and can carry their team more than just a week here or there.

I honestly believe it's because people don't take the time to look into the NFL and recognize QB names so they assume team=good, QB = Good and it's just not the case.

Most of those guys have good to great starting casts and it shows when they play. When their cast is down, they usually play bad as well.

Oh well.

And I think most fans are hyper critical when it comes to QBs as well. When Ben Roethlisberger is being thrown around as a game manager and not a great QB it really shows how silly fans are.

Is he Manning or Brady?? No. But that doesn't mean he isn't a great QB. Remember stats don't mean anything. You say that all the time TRD

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There are a lot of things I consider.

I like to look at who does what with what. To steal a line from the famous Brock Lesnar, can they make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t?

How much are they asked to do? Does their performance change dramatically when they don't have great support? How good is their defense? What division do they play in? How long have they done it? What type of throws do they make? Do their receivers and backs do a lot of the work? Do you have to game plan specifically for that player?

I can't think of everything right now but that's probably a good start

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There are a lot of things I consider.

I like to look at who does what with what. To steal a line from the famous Brock Lesnar, can they make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t?

How much are they asked to do? Does their performance change dramatically when they don't have great support? How good is their defense? What division do they play in? How long have they done it? What type of throws do they make? Do their receivers and backs do a lot of the work? Do you have to game plan specifically for that player?

I can't think of everything right now but that's probably a good start

Did you watch UFC tonight haha.

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