Why Jimmy maybe a blessing in disguise...

[CRA]

considering you won't have any answers for another 2-3 years on how good/bad Clausen will be.. who are the 2 backups you are going to fill that you would rather have?

it's been reported Fox didn't help Edwards or Clausen.. it's also well known that Fox and his staff are horrible at developing talent. Rip Scherer seems to have hurt our players than help.

You ARE saying you would rather have BSP, Cantwell and crap like that.. Who else is your 3rd? Teams have either old backups, long out of their prime or undrafted/late round QBs to develop..

otherwise, list names who you would fill if those 2 examples aren't your solutions?

because HCs DO keep crap around long enough when you have a 2nd round pick who was left out hanging last year, a rookie at that, and feels they can develop him into a really good backup...

none of which can be answered in the next 2 years...

so my question is simple.. people who think Clausen will be cut, released in the next year.. who do you bring in?

cut and pasted from your other thread....

Well, there is a huge difference between looking for QBs week 9 of a season......and before a season starts.

New HCs generally move on from the QB roster leftover very quickly.

I think Rivera drafts Cam and brings in a vet....that leaves 1 spot up for real competition.

If I were Rivera I would want my 3rd spot to be filled by a young guy who fits what my offense asks of a QB. I would bring in Matt Moore type QBs to compete with Jimmy and Pike. Best man gets the job. I don't see Clausen beating out Moore caliber QBs (and there are plenty to be found prior to the start of a season by one means or another).

Clausen doesn't appear to fit what Chud claims to be about......and he looked like a train wreck (one of the worst rookie performances in 20 years). Why waste a needed spot with a QB who doesn't fit the style of offense you run?

If Jerry brought in a WCO coach....my opinion on Jimmy would be different.

Answer me this bleys......if there is only one spot up for grabs. You think Clausen can beat out Moore or a similar caliber QB for one spot? In Chud's offense? Best man is all that matters?

[bleys]

Well, there is a huge difference between looking for QBs week 9 of a season......and before a season starts.

New HCs generally move on from the QB roster leftover very quickly.

I think Rivera drafts Cam and bring in a vet....that leaves 1 spot.

If I were Rivera I would want my 3rd spot to be filled by a young guy who fits what my offense asks of a QB. I would bring in Matt Moore type QBs to compete with Jimmy and Pike. Best man gets the job. I don't see Clausen beating out Moore caliber QBs (and there are plenty to be found prior to the start of a season by one means or another).

Clausen doesn't appear to fit what Chud claims to be about......and he looked like a train wreck (one of the worst rookie performances in 20 years). Why waste a needed spot with a QB who doesn't fit the style of offense you run?

If Jerry brought in a WCO coach....my opinion on Jimmy would be different.

I don't disagree with your logic. Matt Moore is the one QB I didn't mention because I feel he and Clausen had to face the same debacle. The thing is, Moore has had several years to learn how to play in the NFL. Clausen's only year has been with an incompetent coaching staff who, on top of that, reportedly did nothing to help him. I'm not implying anything about Moore other than that little tidbit. I still wouldn't be surprised to see Moore on the roster, and is the only person I could see kicking Clausen off the roster.

You're right, if Clausen is strickly a WCO type QB, then he gets the axe quicker. However, that doesn't mean he can't learn to play a more Coryell type offense. And I say that because our coaching staff last year is hardly a determining factor on Clausen's success, and that's my only point. So with that said, I fail to see how Clausen is released in the next 2 years. (which means he spent majority of his contract with Carolina)

If it's not Matt Moore, and we aren't talking about week 9 of the season, I fail to see who else will replace Clausen.

Vet + Newton + ???

Answer me this bleys......if there is only one spot up for grabs. You think Clausen can beat out Moore or a similar caliber QB for one spot? In Chud's offense? Best man is all that matters?

besides Moore, who else? is going to boot Clausen off the roster?

Certainly not the likes of Pike, Cantwell, or BSP.. and that's usually who fits the 3rd spot.

Maybe Pike, but I'll be seriously shocked...

You still have to consider Moore doesn't have a contract and Clausen has a rather lengthy one, in comparison. So is that 3rd spot so important that you can see Hurney releasing Clausen to add Moore? How much of an upgrade is that?

The only answer is how much more of a ceiling does Moore have and is it that much greater to boot Clausen and his contract? (keeping in mind that Clausen still has a lot of room to improve)

[CRA]

I don't disagree with your logic. Matt Moore is the one QB I didn't mention because I feel he and Clausen had to face the same debacle. The thing is, Moore has had several years to learn how to play in the NFL. Clausen's only year has been with an incompetent coaching staff who, on top of that, reportedly did nothing to help him. I'm not implying anything about Moore other than that little tidbit. I still wouldn't be surprised to see Moore on the roster, and is the only person I could see kicking Clausen off the roster.

You're right, if Clausen is strickly a WCO type QB, then he gets the axe quicker. However, that doesn't mean he can't learn to play a more Coryell type offense. And I say that because our coaching staff last year is hardly a determining factor on Clausen's success, and that's my only point. So with that said, I fail to see how Clausen is released in the next 2 years. (which means he spent majority of his contract with Carolina)

If it's not Matt Moore, and we aren't talking about week 9 of the season, I fail to see who else will replace Clausen.

Vet + Newton + ???

Moore, and who else? is going to boot Clausen off the roster?

Certainly not the likes of Pike, Cantwell, or BSP.. and that's usually who fits the 3rd spot.

Maybe Pike, but I'll be seriously shocked...

Moore did have several years....but look at Moore's rookie year vs. Clausen's. Moore fits what Fox did better and likely fits what Chud wants to do better.

Clausen found himself on the wrong team imo. That can end careers. To play in these Carolina offenses he needs to rework his entire throwing motion and mindset......and I don't see Rivera/Chud being bothered with that (especially if they draft a QB at #1 overall).

[bleys]

Moore did have several years....but look at Moore's rookie year vs. Clausen's. Moore fits what Fox did better and likely fits what Chud wants to do better.

Clausen found himself on the wrong team imo. That can end careers imo. To play in these Carolian offense he needs to rework his entire throwing motion and mindset......and I don't see Rivera/Chud being bothered with that.

normally, I wouldn't disagree with you on this.. but I find it hard to compare Moore's rookie season -vs- Clausen. Entirely different scenario's in those 2 years. The major difference are the reports that Fox did NOTHING to help out both Clausen and Edwards. That's a very big deal, IMO..

They are wasting their time teaching someone.. and most likely, it'll be a 3rd spot who has less potential than Clausen, so why not Clausen?

if it isn't Matt Moore, my question then is who? I keep coming back to it's a really old guy, or an undrafted one.. Neither are situations where I would release Clausen.

and I'm not sold Moore will be back..

[AceMan]

Trade Clausen to the Eagles once Kolb is gone

[jasonluckydog]

If the season started Sunday no doubt if healthy Matt Moore would be the starter.

[CRA]

normally, I wouldn't disagree with you on this.. but I find it hard to compare Moore's rookie season -vs- Clausen. Entirely different scenario's in those 2 years. The major difference are the reports that Fox did NOTHING to help out both Clausen and Edwards. That's a very big deal, IMO..

They are wasting their time teaching someone.. and most likely, it'll be a 3rd spot who has less potential than Clausen, so why not Clausen?

if it isn't Matt Moore, my question then is who? I keep coming back to it's a really old guy, or an undrafted one.. Neither are situations where I would release Clausen.

and I'm not sold Moore will be back..

the rookies years aren't apples to apples....but they are more similar than some suggest imo.

Fox wasn't thrilled about playing either. I think Fox gave both about the same caliber of coaching. Teams surrounding them were not very different. You could argue either way as to who had the better cast around them. Reports were Fox did nothing to help Edwards.......not Clausen.

I don't think Moore will be back. I don't see a new HC bringing back old QBs who didn't pan out putting hope into them eventually working out. I think the league is filled with Moore caliber QBs. I think Moore could still be a decent QB....just not here. That window closed....and Fox imo was eager to shut it.

At the end of the day (and where my socalled "hate" comes from), I just think Clausen is a square peg and the offense requires a round peg. A waste of time trying to groom a square peg when you can get several round pegs to work with.

I feel bad for Moore and Clausen. Fox never seemed to want to give Moore a shot. I think every year Moore saw action the QB roster was mishandled and not in his favor when it should have been. I feel bad for Clausen b/c he is never going to have a shot b/c he flat doesn't fit in this type of NFL offense. He looks the same imo as he did at Notre Dame and that is why he is a WC QB in the NFL.

[jasonluckydog]

the rookies years aren't apples to apples....but they are more similar than some suggest imo.

Fox wasn't thrilled about playing either. I think Fox gave both about the same caliber of coaching. Teams surrounding them were not very different. You could argue either way as to who had the better cast around them. Reports were Fox did nothing to help Edwards.......not Clausen.

I don't think Moore will be back. I don't see a new HC bringing back old QBs who didn't pan out putting hope into them eventually working out. I think the league is filled with Moore caliber QBs. I think Moore could still be a decent QB....just not here. That window closed....and Fox imo was eager to shut it.

At the end of the day (and where my socalled "hate" comes from), I just think Clausen is a square peg and the offense requires a round peg. A waste of time trying to groom a square peg when you can get several round pegs to work with.

I feel bad for Moore and Clausen. Fox never seemed to want to give Moore a shot. I think every year Moore saw action the QB roster was mishandled and not in his favor when it should have been. I feel bad for Clausen b/c he is never going to have a shot b/c he flat doesn't fit in this type of NFL offense. He looks the same imo as he did at Notre Dame and that is why he is a WC QB in the NFL.

If you get rid of Moore who do you replace him with? With the shortage of QB's in the league Moore could play almost anywhere he wanted too.

[bleys]

the rookies years aren't apples to apples....but they are more similar than some suggest imo.

Fox wasn't thrilled about playing either. I think Fox gave both about the same caliber of coaching. Teams surrounding them were not very different. You could argue either way as to who had the better cast around them. Reports were Fox did nothing to help Edwards.......not Clausen.

I don't think Moore will be back. I don't see a new HC bringing back old QBs who didn't pan out putting hope into them eventually working out. I think the league is filled with Moore caliber QBs. I think Moore could still be a decent QB....just not here. That window closed....and Fox imo was eager to shut it.

At the end of the day (and where my socalled "hate" comes from), I just think Clausen is a square peg and the offense requires a round peg. A waste of time trying to groom a square peg when you can get several round pegs to work with.

I feel bad for Moore and Clausen. Fox never seemed to want to give Moore a shot. I think every year Moore saw action the QB roster was mishandled and not in his favor when it should have been. I feel bad for Clausen b/c he is never going to have a shot b/c he flat doesn't fit in this type of NFL offense. He looks the same imo as he did at Notre Dame and that is why he is a WC QB in the NFL.

I agree with you.. but I don't see them bringing Moore back. If they do, this is a moot point. However, if they don't.. who is going to replace a young rookie who hasn't had a true teacher with talent and motivation?

and it was reported that Clausen wasn't helped along as well..

[CRA]

this may be off topic.....

but has anyone on twitter been watching Kalil randomly bust Clausen's balls about his "rings". Funny stuff.

Anyway, I think Clausen gets a shot to see if there is a place he fits (like Rivera said). I just would use pencil with him.....I think 2 of the 3 spots will basically be filled the moment Cam gets drafted (Cam and vet). 1 spot and Clausen imo won't be a lock for it.

[bleys]

it was reported that Clausen didn't get any help as well..

but overall, I have to agree.. especially if Clausen is only efficient at the WCO offense.. (which that is even up for debate)

if Moore isn't brought back, I fail to see who they will bring in to groom other than Clausen. and if that is the case, my only gripe is how others are so short-sighted that you would cut a guy just because............... (only to bring in a scrub with even less talent)

[CRA]

as long as Clausen isn't #1 on the depth chart....I will have to real problem with him being here. I just don't want to him take the field in anything but preseason games. I think that is best for Carolina and his development (could be a decent backup one day and those are important).

[bleys]

definitely agree with that..

[Peppers90 NC]

Another Clausen thread.......smokescreen

giving up on creativity i see