Another Cam thread, how to insure he succeeds.

[mav1234]

Cam won't start, but if whoever does struggles, expect Cam to play at some point during the season, depending a lot on how the offseason finishes.

[Brokenbad]

you don't understand talent/potential? You don't understand there is a difference between the skill set of someone like Calvin Johnson vs. Keary Colbert? Despite Keary having the "stats". If you can't acknowledge/understand that then I will bow out now.

Cam has a different skill set than the 5 other QBs. He has the most talent and could also be the best potential leader out of the group. He wins (again, something people overlook to often in favor of "stats").

Ok.

I am not trying to argue with you, I am just trying to understand your reasoning.

I think "potential" and "talent" are hard to measure, and often concluded by the eye of the beholder.

Therefor, I believe there is a great chance that you are convinced Cam Newton is so talented based on a biased opinion.

Would you be willing to prove to me what talent he offers that is so exceptional?

[prowler2k8]

Ok.

I am not trying to argue with you, I am just trying to understand your reasoning.

I think "potential" and "talent" are hard to measure, and often concluded by the eye of the beholder.

Therefor, I believe there is a great chance that you are convinced Cam Newton is so talented based on a biased opinion.

Would you be willing to prove to me what talent he offers that is so exceptional?

Found this article from The Bleacher Report an interesting read comparing Cam and Jimmy:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/660650-2011-nfl-draft-preview-the-carolina-panthers-must-take-cam-newton?utm_campaign=buzztap&utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter

[Biggs934]

I don't think he will start from day 1 but may see sometime mid to late in the season depending on how things are going.

But I think it will mainly be up to him and his continued grow in the postion when he will get in. Also how quickly he gets an grasp of the playbook since it will be different from anything he has ran before. (not saying he can't do just saying it will be very different than what he is use to)

[CarolinaNut]

the only way newton won't see the field his rookie season is if the team that drafts him is having success with whoever their starting QB is

[Highlandfire]

well no one knows any of that until he gets to camp so.....

People thought Big Ben would need at least a year to develop bc he had never had many snaps under center, he was coming from a weak conference, and never ran an NFL offense. He came out and had one of the best rookie years in history.

Not suggesting Cam would do that, but you don't know how quickly he will transition until he gets there.

Can we stop the big Ben comparisons? Last time I checked, Cowher isn't our coach and we sure as hell aren't the Steelers!

Ben walked into THE greatest situation a rookie QB could ever walk into with the Organization, the Defense, the OL, the running game, coaching etc.

[Highlandfire]

Rivers, Palmer, Vick, Hasselbeck, Cassel, Brady, Schaub, Warner, Brees, and Romo would argue with you.

So would David Carr, Alex Smith, Jimmy Clausen, and Byron Leftwich.

The only ones on your side are peyton manning, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Sam Bradford, and Mark Sanchez.

Dont forget Aaron Rogers who sat for THREE years.

Guys enough of this we gotta get him on the field Bull poo. he is NOT sam Bradford, or Payton manning ready.

Everyone, even his fans in the media, says this kid is NOT ready for at least a year and I agree.

Do you guys just want to see the new toy on the field even if it destroys his career? Or are you wanting a full career out of this kid with great success?

I don't want to hear he might be better than moore, Clausen, Pike or whatever, that just shows how shitty our QB situation is. You don't ruin this kids development because he is rated a 65 right now and everyone else is under 50. 65 still sucks ass.

We start him this year, with this team, a new HC, new staff, new systems and I will say right now with 100% certainty he will be a bust and it will be the Panthers fault, not his.

[teeray]

I think all we have proven is that the threshold is different for every player so there is no reason to believe any of us have any idea how long it will take for a player like Newton to be ready.

[teeray]

Can we stop the big Ben comparisons? Last time I checked, Cowher isn't our coach and we sure as hell aren't the Steelers!

Ben walked into THE greatest situation a rookie QB could ever walk into with the Organization, the Defense, the OL, the running game, coaching etc.

He also had a REALLY good year. One of the best for a rookie QB in history. I am not comparing the two in this instance I am simply stating that Ben had questions about how quickly he could transition and yet he made it very swiftly.

I am not saying that Cam would do the same, just that no one can say definitively how long it will take Cam to be ready to go.

And we also have a good running game, good O-line. good organization, and good defense.

[OneBadassCat]

If Cam is the pick I feel there is only one way to really insure this kid has a legit shot and it's a two year plan.

Year one: do nothing. He sits as the #3 QB and never sees the field. What he needs is a full year in an pro lifting program, and a full year watching the game, seeing the speed of it, being around pros, learning how pros conduct business, how to study game film at the pro level and a full year with Chud learning this offense inside and out.

Year 2: compete for the starting job. If he wins it, fine. If not then get him all the reps you can again in preseason, if we are down by a lot or up by a lot in games. Continue what happened in year one but he is clearly the #2 and you keep letting him compete in practice each week. By doing this you let him EARN the spot which will really re inforce the respect of the Veterans on this team. And hey we all know the kid is going to see game time due to injury or this or that to the #1. Or of #1 Struggles, its Cam time.

I think if we do that this kid will have the best chance to succeed. Cam is way too raw to throw out there year one at all and even his biggest fans can admit that.

I will say I am a Panthers fan, and if Cam becomes a Panther then I support the guy initially, it is only right and fair and I hope the Panthers bring him along the right way so we can all (Including Cam) enjoy his potential success.

Get him running routes and TE drills as fast as possible.

[Tarheels23]

If Cam is the pick I feel there is only one way to really insure this kid has a legit shot and it's a two year plan.

Year one: do nothing. He sits as the #3 QB and never sees the field. What he needs is a full year in an pro lifting program, and a full year watching the game, seeing the speed of it, being around pros, learning how pros conduct business, how to study game film at the pro level and a full year with Chud learning this offense inside and out.

Year 2: compete for the starting job. If he wins it, fine. If not then get him all the reps you can again in preseason, if we are down by a lot or up by a lot in games. Continue what happened in year one but he is clearly the #2 and you keep letting him compete in practice each week. By doing this you let him EARN the spot which will really re inforce the respect of the Veterans on this team. And hey we all know the kid is going to see game time due to injury or this or that to the #1. Or of #1 Struggles, its Cam time.

I think if we do that this kid will have the best chance to succeed. Cam is way too raw to throw out there year one at all and even his biggest fans can admit that.

I will say I am a Panthers fan, and if Cam becomes a Panther then I support the guy initially, it is only right and fair and I hope the Panthers bring him along the right way so we can all (Including Cam) enjoy his potential success.

There is no exact science as to when a Rookie QB should play. Every scenario has it's success and failures, with that said if he's the best QB on the team then he should start. If it's between Cam and Clausen there's no way Clausen beats Cam out.

[Pox 08]

Ok, what excellent selling points!

I will just take your word for it!

I don't understand the "talent" or potential part.

What can he offer this team that any of the other top five QB's cannot offer?

He isn't the fastest.

He doesn't have the best completion percentage.

He has potential character issues.

He doesnt have the most experience.

He isnt the best at reading coverages.

SOOO what makes him this "total package" that everyone continues to rant about?

What is his (even) one advantage over any of the other QBs in this draft?

If we went by all the examples you posted, we wouldn't have even taken Luck had he declared.

---added--I get what you're saying, but, sometimes in a draft such as this, all we have to go on is "potential" if they take a qb. Newton is 6'5, 250 lbs, rocket for an arm and is extremely mobile for a guy his size. No one can accurately predict how he'll turn out or if he'll be worthy of a top 5 pick. Mallet is slow as a snail and breaks under pressure at times, Gabbert is often compared with Newton, but is also often disregarded because of his horrible last season in college. If ya have a choice between two similar players, why not go with the one that is a proven winner that won the national championship? It's a crap shoot anyway.

[CRA]

Ok.

I am not trying to argue with you, I am just trying to understand your reasoning.

I think "potential" and "talent" are hard to measure, and often concluded by the eye of the beholder.

Therefor, I believe there is a great chance that you are convinced Cam Newton is so talented based on a biased opinion.

Would you be willing to prove to me what talent he offers that is so exceptional?

it doesn't show up on a stat sheet.......but if you watch football and games you should know that coming out of college Calvin Johnson had much more talent and potential at the next leve than Keary Colbert coming out. Regardless of what "stats" say...

Do you watch college football? Have you watched a Gabbert play 3-4 complete games? Have you watched Cam do the same? Obviously you haven't done that honestly.......b/c they clearly weren't given the same god given talent. It really isn't something to debate. You can debate intellect or something like that or fitting schemes or picking up complex systems.....but there is no debate on talent. Cam has more than any QB in this or last years draft.

[CRA]

Rivers, Palmer, Vick, Hasselbeck, Cassel, Brady, Schaub, Warner, Brees, and Romo would argue with you.

So would David Carr, Alex Smith, Jimmy Clausen, and Byron Leftwich.

The only ones on your side are peyton manning, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Sam Bradford, and Mark Sanchez.

6th rounder, 7th round, undrafted....most of those were never under consideration for starting vs. sitting as rookies. A couple were rookies while they sat behind pro bowl performances. Some you listed started games as rookies.......

In today's NFL....high draft picks start at some point as rookies. That is the norm.

There are more on my side than that.....Freeman, Colt, The Golden Calf of Bristol, etc. They all built of stuff as rookie and started to lay a early foundation on some things.