How many games does it take...

[mav1234]

Obviously, QB is a huge need on this team. We'd all love to have an elite passer who is one of the best in the league... but that isn't always possible. Sometimes, you build around a guy who isn't elite but can still do some good things. But how do you decide who to build around?

How many games does it take for you to judge if a quarterback is a good enough player to be worth building around? Do they even need to play a pro game? How quickly can your mind change?

What criteria do you require?

[TheRealDeal]

It depends on the content of the games, how much you have seen of that player before entering the NFL, if the games were played all together or spread out, and multiple other factors.

I'd prefer to see a continuous season of a QB to decide but often times you don't get that chance.

[CAVSS]

Depends of course we would all like to see a guy perform like Peyton for three seasons and then his team lets him walk and the Panthers are the only team to bid on him and we get him cheap. Or maybe we pick up the next Kurt Warner from the Arena league for next to nothing. Or we snag the next Brady in the 6th round. But those scenarios aren't very realistic.

Right now I'm ready to take a chance on a guy who has shown flashes of greatness. Not just in the draft. I think Flynn and that backup from Chicago have shown flashes also.

[TheRealDeal]

I don't think that answered any of the OP

[CAVSS]

I don't think that answered any of the OP

Really? Flashes is my current criteria. Partially due to desperation.

Or are these my ideal situations for evaluations. Which would be the first sentence of my OP. :confused:

OK I re-read the OP I think I only answered the last question. To be fair there were a lot of questions in the OP.

[TheRealDeal]

Mav is a very complex and deep poster. He asks many questions in a single post. To be fair I only answered one of them too I think

[CAVSS]

OK fug me I get what mav was asking.

I think that I would have to see a few seasons of consecutive play before I gave up on a guy, as long as the play seemed promising if not great or even good. (I saw NOTHING promising from pickles) Sometimes even great players have down years.

But I also think that you have to go all in when you decide a guy is your franchise guy. You start building around him and keep his confidence up until there is no hope. (Like we should have done with Matt Moore IMO)

[YourMomsLover]

Keep the check down to a minimum.

QB needs to have full command of the offense. Like Delhomme (except skillfully) :D

[OneBadassCat]

I think it depends on the body of work, but more importantly the circumstances of the individual games, and supporting cast. I'd say at least 10 games and at least in some of those games the QB shows that he was basically the reason they won. Meaning, he can carry the team, make up for his own faults(and the teams) and adversity if need be.

[YourMomsLover]

I dont think I answered the OP either...8 games.

[mav1234]

There are teams that basically bet their future on a player given preseason games and college time and almost no or at least very little play time. Kolb, for instance, would probably have a new team right now if not for the CBA... Others go for backups who have shown glimpses of things. It'd be nice if we had a season to a evaluate a guy, but it's tough. Sometimes all you get is a handful of games to make a judgement about a guy.

Clausen's a good example. The Panthers declared him their franchise QB of the future when they drafted him... but they certainly don't say anything like that anymore. While it's obvious Hurney still thinks he can turn out okay, by and large it seems that fans have abandoned him and most of the team isn't putting much faith in him. Now, outside of TRD, most of us thought he deserved a chance... When was the tipping point for you? For me, I think by the first Atlanta game I had become completely disillusioned with the idea of him being a franchise guy.

[Catalyst]

At least one full season as a starter. We've all seen guys come in for half a season or for a few games and play well (Matt Moore, Derek Anderson, etc.) but it takes more to be a full-time starting QB. In some cases, it may even take more than a season as we have seen guys have whole seasons where they played well and then fell apart afterward.

I don't think there's any real easy or quick answer to this question, TBH.

As for the tipping point with Clausen? Probably the Bears game. They had a QB who was as bad as I had ever seen on the field that day throwing us gift-wrapped INT's and Clausen was just as bad. That's when I kind of said to myself 'yeah... this guy ain't got it.'

[Sword]

There are teams that basically bet their future on a player given preseason games and college time and almost no or at least very little play time. Kolb, for instance, would probably have a new team right now if not for the CBA... Others go for backups who have shown glimpses of things. It'd be nice if we had a season to a evaluate a guy, but it's tough. Sometimes all you get is a handful of games to make a judgement about a guy.

Clausen's a good example. The Panthers declared him their franchise QB of the future when they drafted him... but they certainly don't say anything like that anymore. While it's obvious Hurney still thinks he can turn out okay, by and large it seems that fans have abandoned him and most of the team isn't putting much faith in him. Now, outside of TRD, most of us thought he deserved a chance... When was the tipping point for you? For me, I think by the first Atlanta game I had become completely disillusioned with the idea of him being a franchise guy.

I think I remember the Seattle game as showing me he couldn't/wouldn't be a starting QB..at least for a long time..he will probably be Tommy Maddox'd for 10 years and might pop up again on some team and be decent.

I think I'd like to see the QB at least show he can at least be competitive..I knew Josh Freeman had something when he beat the Packers during his rookie season.

[mav1234]

I think it depends on the body of work, but more importantly the circumstances of the individual games, and supporting cast. I'd say at least 10 games and at least in some of those games the QB shows that he was basically the reason they won. Meaning, he can carry the team, make up for his own faults(and the teams) and adversity if need be.

You've kinda hit on what i like to see... the ability to make up for his own faults and that of the team, and carry it through some adversity. At the same time, I don't expect a QB to be able to do it alone. So it gets pretty complicated pretty quickly.