Vernon Gholston Anyone?????

[MHS831]

actually, yea he did. they put him at DE last year.

In a 3-4? Different animal. I do remember this now that you said it, however. NY did not have the equivalent of a 4-3 DE. I would also add that before he was drafted, he seemed to have a meteoric rise after the college season-Like Troy Williamson did. I could not figure it out.

[mmmbeans]

In a 3-4? Different animal. I do remember this now that you said it, however.

it isn't that different.

the fact that he never even accidentally got a sack in a rex ryan defense is enough to turn me off. The jets had 14 players with at least one sack last season.

the guy was a workout warrior and got destroyed by every decent tackle he ever faced off against.

[micnificent28]

it isn't that different.

the fact that he never even accidentally got a sack in a rex ryan defense is enough to turn me off. The jets had 14 players with at least one sack last season.

the guy was a workout warrior and got destroyed by every decent tackle he ever faced off against.

it is very diffrent. He is very undersized for a 3-4 end. and if you look at it most 3-4 ends don't get alot of sacks. there job is to stuff the run eat up space.

[Highlandfire]

Put potential in one hand and poo in the other and see which one fills up first.

I am so sick of that word. The sinker of franchises right there.

[mmmbeans]

it is very diffrent. He is very undersized for a 3-4 end. and if you look at it most 3-4 ends don't get alot of sacks. there job is to stuff the run eat up space.

the guy has been outright terrible in every role they've put him in. you can make excuses for him all you want. He's been TERRIBLE.

[MWCarolina]

actually, yea he did. they put him at DE last year.

VERY different styles though

it isn't that different. the fact that he never even accidentally got a sack in a rex ryan defense is enough to turn me off. The jets had 14 players with at least one sack last season. the guy was a workout warrior and got destroyed by every decent tackle he ever faced off against.

it is VERY different. A DE in a 3-4 isnt really known for his pass rushing skills. they are put there to basically stop the run and help the pass rushing linebacker get to the QB. guys like Marcus Spears, Glenn Dorsey, Ty Warren and others start there. you will NOT see Peppers, Mario Williams or Dwight Freeney playing the 3-4 defensive end. In fact, the Texans are switching to a 3-4 and Mario Williams will be moved to outside linebacker and i heard that the Texans could release Amobi Okyoe because of how he may not fit in with the 3-4. Trust me the 3-4 defense is different and hard to transition too, the Redskins had a tough time with that because they lacked a nose tackle and Haynesworth didnt try to play which helped cause that issue.

[mmmbeans]

VERY different styles though

it is VERY different. A DE in a 3-4 isnt really known for his pass rushing skills. they are put there to basically stop the run and help the pass rushing linebacker get to the QB. guys like Marcus Spears, Glenn Dorsey, Ty Warren and others start there. you will NOT see Peppers, Mario Williams or Dwight Freeney playing the 3-4 defensive end. In fact, the Texans are switching to a 3-4 and Mario Williams will be moved to outside linebacker and i heard that the Texans could release Amobi Okyoe because of how he may not fit in with the 3-4. Trust me the 3-4 defense is different and hard to transition too, the Redskins had a tough time with that because they lacked a nose tackle and Haynesworth didnt try to play which helped cause that issue.

i understand that. there is a common denominator though. Getting off blocks.

the guy cannot get off blocks. he can't get off blocks as a LB (even when he's on the line with his hand down) He can't get off blocks as a DE. He couldn't get off blocks when he was in college and facing decent competition.

you guys can argue system differences all you want. I've watched him play every year up in NY. He f*cking sucks.

And for the record, the texans are supposedly starting Mario Williams at DE in their 3-4.

[4Corners]

Gholston bagged my groceries at harris teeter last week.

[pantherclaw]

To the guys arguing the scheme difference.

You do realize that rex ryan is one of the best defensive minds in the game. While their base defense is a 3-4, that new york lines up often in 4-3 and even a hybrid 4-6.

Ryan isn't so stupid to put the kid in position to fail. He was used as a situation pass rusher, and he failed himself.

Argue the scheme all you want to, but the kid wouldn't even break into the rotation here. I'd consider that a wasted spot on the team.

[Ohio]

and how much of a stud will ryan mallet be? Manning stud or a lower tier 'stud' like romo or eli manning?

Let me first say, this is coaches aren't scared and play him, like Fox is afraid to play The Golden Calf of Bristol. Mallett will end up being a top 5 QB in the league by his 4th or 5th year. I think he'll have a Joe Flacco type of rookie season this year, given the coach plays him.

And anyone who says Gholston is not worth a roster spot, but can not tell me why Nick Hayden is still on the team is not credible. Atleast Gholston has athleticism, Hayden doesn't have anything worth keeping.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Nope. He's averaged 14 combined tackles a season. He's not even a rotational guy. We should sign him and interrogate him to figure out how top five busts happen. To the guy who took a shot at Hayden, at least he's proven to be a somewhat productive platoon player.

[OneBadassCat]

I'd give him a look but I'd be more interested in Jarvis Moss.

[MWCarolina]

To the guys arguing the scheme difference.

You do realize that rex ryan is one of the best defensive minds in the game. While their base defense is a 3-4, that new york lines up often in 4-3 and even a hybrid 4-6.

Listen, NO one is saying the kid hasnt sucked because he has, BUT you can NOT and i repeat NOT say that a 3-4 defensive end is not much of a difference as a 4-3 end!!!! IF that was true, then Andre Carter would've fit in with the Redskins 3-4 defense.

i understand that. there is a common denominator though. Getting off blocks. he can't get off blocks as a LB. He can't get off blocks as a DE.

And for the record, the texans are supposedly starting Mario Williams at DE in their 3-4.

there isnt much of a common denominator with a 3-4 and a 4-3 because Andre Carter failed in the 3-4 but looks good in the 4-3. i am not saying Gholston will be Carter because most likely he wont. i do think Carolina should sign Gholston, but only as a short term 2 year deal and hope he shows what made him a high pick. As for Mario Williams, i dont see him doing well in a 3-4 defense as an end. those great sacks he has had will go down. 3-4 ends arent known for getting alot of sacks, now maybe one will surprise, but it's rare.

[Ohio]

To the guy who took a shot at Hayden, at least he's proven to be a somewhat productive platoon player.

Hayden is playing in a system that fits him, he has no talent, Gholston does, try fitting a square beg in a round hole and see what happens.